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Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

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Post by _m_a_t_t_ »

mightybyte wrote: post #25

I was participating in NYC Mesh for awhile, but eventually I had to unplug because I got notices from my ISP about copyright infringement and I didn't want my internet access to get shut off. So sad. I really want this effort to succeed.

This isnt much of an issue now that NYC Mesh is providing egress in place of an ISP. There aren't many individuals left broadcasting their own ISP connection out.

It sounds like you were sharing your own ISP connection a while ago before this was the case, mightbyte?

Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

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Post by aeorgnoieang »

niek_pas wrote: post #114
wetpaws wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obligatory tragedy of commons reference

The tragedy of the commons is not a natural law.

It might be kinda something like a natural law:

- [Great Oxygenation Event - Wikiwand](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Great_Oxygenation_Event)

Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

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Post by _m_a_t_t_ »

bikamonki wrote: post #94

"The network connects directly to the internet backbone, so we do not rely on an ISP." How does it work? Can anyone connect directly to the Internet backbone?

I think that is just meant to be an approachable way of saying that NYC Mesh peers on public internet exchanges

https://nycmesh.net/peering/

Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

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Post by _m_a_t_t_ »

aero142 wrote: post #2

This doesn't seem to actually be a mesh network.

It is a hybrid at this point. Supernode and hub connections are not mesh connections, but there is some second hop meshing still happening between nodes where there is not line of sight to a hub.

Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

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Post by _m_a_t_t_ »

bogomipz wrote: post #130
sethhochberg wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They publish their peering details and AS here: https://nycmesh.net/peering/

Thanks. It's still not clear to me how MYCMesh users would be able to reach the internet. They state in their FAQ they are not an ISP which leaves me to believe they don't buy transit from anyone. But looking at that peering link there are only 122K prefixes being advertised at DE-CIX NY and NYCMesh only peering with 14 other ASes there. That would leave large parts of the internet unreachable. Perhaps Hurricane Elec…

packet.net is main transit provider, and think there are a couple alternatives now as well

Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

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Post by _m_a_t_t_ »

amazon_not wrote: post #131
dboreham wrote: post #62

I think we had this before a few months ago. It is no different than any other regional transit provider (in the case of their fiber loop) or wireless ISP. You still have to pay for decent peering and you still have to deal with the laws of physics and claude shannon when deploying wireless networks.

I recall the NYCmesh people having free bandwidth from an employer or sponsor. That obviously helps. Not exactly scalable or replicable tho.

There was a donation of bandwidth for supernode 1, but the cost of that bandwidth is insignificant relative to other costs. The current model is scalable. Supernode 3 is launching in the next week or so and Supernode 4 will be following it soon.

Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

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Post by instaheat »

fixthenet wrote: post #73
instaheat wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi Josh. Forgive my ignorance, I am honestly just curious. I took a look at your test area on your website, and it is filled with homes/condos that are in the millions of dollars. What practical reason would someone that could afford a home that costs this much need to utilize your service? Is this area essentially exactly that, a test area, and not intended to be the location you deploy in first?

Our intended initial deployment was in Culver City, off a tower that had reach to Culver and city district 10. We met with LA city, Culver City, and did a lot of prep in that direction. Unfortunately, the critical path to fiber was delayed in construction for a year, with another year to go. In addition, we were thrown a curve ball with a tower engineering study prior to that tower's use that would eat up a sizable p…

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I appreciate it - makes sense! I wish you all the best of luck.

Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

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Post by TDL »

grahamburger wrote: post #100

I run a website about starting and running small wireless ISPs here: https://startyourownisp.com We also have a matrix chat room here: https://riot.im/app/#/room/#startyourownisp:matrix.org Don't want to detract from NYC Mesh or the conversation at all just thought this could be interesting for some of the folks on the thread.

Thanks for this, we are deploying our WISP in the next month or two.

Re: NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection

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Post by jamesblonde »

jedahan wrote: post #103
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #80

Are the organizers in this thread? I wonder if you folks were aware of cjdns, and if so why the decision not to use it? I've been thinking about setting up a cjdns-based mesh network in Philly but I don't think I have line-of-sight to any geeks.

Early (~3 years ago) NYCMesh used cjdns. I am not 100% sure of the reasons, but I think at the time cjdns had bad performance and was much harder to setup. I personally tried out cjdns recently and was pleasantly surprised with the ease of setup, though I still think hyperborea is having scaling issues and Guifi (the largest mesh) doesn't use it. There is nothing stopping anyone on NYC Mesh to use cjdns, and some of…

What gives - this is the only mention of Guifi.net on this thread - and Guifi is the world's largest Mesh, by an order of magnitude! 56k+ nodes operational in Catalunya!
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