China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight • Hacker News Board

Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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Post by dang » Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 1:11 AM UTC

dnomad wrote: post #98

ptenk wrote: post #82

The sinophobia in these comments always makes me uncomfortable because it’s usually underlied with overall anti-Asian sentiment. It reminds me that I don’t belong in America, we still live in a white world.

This is really the main goal of these threads. It's your standard Two Minute Hate [1]: everybody gets together and signals their own virtue by spewing fact-free nonsense (apparently China's entire 11T is run by bribes and no foreign company ever made money there). There are two goals here: signal the ingroup but more importantly signal the outgroup. It's a concerted effort to drive away Asian programmers and, as I've…

Not that I recommend it, but if you read all my comments on this issue you'll see that people are accusing us of siding with "pro-China shills" much more than "anti-China bigotry" as you have. In reality, of course, it's neither: we're just trying to prevent HN from going up in nationalistic flames. What does it matter whether those flames are red or white or blue or some combo thereof? The point is not to burn to a crisp.

We need you to stop insinuating astroturfing in the threads ("highly coordinated"). People are simply divided on this issue and it's a gross violation of the HN guidelines to insinuate otherwise. All it does is escalate the toxicity and we don't allow people to do that here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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Post by princeb » Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 1:50 AM UTC

clamprecht wrote: post #90

Razengan wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think China will look back at this in a generation and think, we did the right thing. Honest question: How many people in China currently know, care and/or feel regret about the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1...

My question (as an American) is: what ugly thing happened in the US that most of us don't know about?

maybe this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot where a large, fairly wealthy neighbourhood of black people was firebombed by the local militia.

Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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Post by gok » Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 5:08 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #87

_iyig wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the OP wrong? Is the point irrelevant to the discussion? In what way is the observation of an admittedly uncomfortable fact "ideological rhetoric"?

People apply the word 'fact' loosely when it comes to topics they feel strongly about. The point is contentious and disputable in a bunch of ways. That's not necessarily bad, but it is when combined with a declamatory style. Just to be clear though: I'm not making a point about China. I'm making a point about how terrible Hacker News threads become when people allow themselves to post this way. This problem is gettin…

What would you say is the opposing point of view here? China is not a communist dictatorship? Or that this is surprising?

Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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Post by dnomad » Sun, Aug 26, 2018, 3:21 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #141

dnomad wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is really the main goal of these threads. It's your standard Two Minute Hate [1]: everybody gets together and signals their own virtue by spewing fact-free nonsense (apparently China's entire 11T is run by bribes and no foreign company ever made money there). There are two goals here: signal the ingroup but more importantly signal the outgroup. It's a concerted effort to drive away Asian programmers and, as I've…

Not that I recommend it, but if you read all my comments on this issue you'll see that people are accusing us of siding with "pro-China shills" much more than "anti-China bigotry" as you have. In reality, of course, it's neither: we're just trying to prevent HN from going up in nationalistic flames. What does it matter whether those flames are red or white or blue or some combo thereof? The point is not to burn to a…

If you think this is not a coordinated effort than you are very naive.

It's worth pointing out what is actually happening here. This story about "massive internment camps" has been pushed relentlessly on HN for the past two weeks. There's been at least five stories on it.

Actual journalists investigated the story and proved quite clearly the story has been entirely fabricated [1].

Post the results of this story on HN and it is immediately flagged: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17846148

At this point I think it pretty fair to say there is a highly coordinated effort to push a wholly fake anti-China story.

> In reality, of course, it's neither: we're just trying to prevent HN from going up in nationalistic flames.

Somehow you think being "neutral" is the right strategy when one side is invested in a deliberate propaganda effort.

[1] https://grayzoneproject.com/2018/08/23/un-did-not-report-chi...