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Microsoft Buying Adobe?

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Re: Microsoft Buying Adobe?

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Think of what great software activation schemes they will make!

And the updates! The glorious, unending stream of modal software-update dialogs!

Could be worse .... Apple could buy them, making an incremental Photoshop update 6 gig + an hour to install.

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> Yes, there are still places that rely on this software. Killing JRun and Cold Fusion would be doing them a favor.

You are speaking out of ignorance.

Speaking as someone who worked multiple cf projects over multiple years, no, he's not.

Re: Microsoft Buying Adobe?

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umjames - ColdFusion is built upon Java, of course it runs on the Mac as well as 'nix. If you go to a gathering of CF developers eighty percent of them are running Mac laptops.

Re: Microsoft Buying Adobe?

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Not disagreeing, but Innovators Dilemma theory says that companies that are about to be disrupted are enjoying the greatest profits and margins ever. The problem is that the reason the profits are so high is that they've shed their less profitable divisions and products that might grow into the next big innovation. Let's say something disrupts MSFTs Office and shrinks its revenue - what do they have that could replac…

what do they have that could replace that? Sharepoint, SQLServer, Windows 7, Windows Server, Windows Virtual Server, CRM, Exchange Server, XBox, Xbox live, Bing, Zune, Microsoft Automotive platform, Win 7 phone. Microsoft has one of the most diverse revenue streams of any software company. They're going to be around for a while. Google should actually be more afraid of disruptive technologies. Their revenue is primar…

"Sharepoint, SQLServer, Windows 7, Windows Server, Windows Virtual Server, CRM, Exchange Server, XBox, Xbox live, Bing, Zune, Microsoft Automotive platform, Win 7 phone."

Has it actually been determined that Microsoft makes any profit at all from any of those products? Entertainment division (where XBox and Live and Zune lives) is about 12% of their revenue and is still not profitable, while search and online (which is Bing and MSN) loses $700 Million every quarter or thereabouts (at least it did last fiscal quarter).

Their bread and butter has always been Windows and Office. That other stuff are loss leaders, in a way.

Re: Microsoft Buying Adobe?

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I suspect that were Adobe to leave the Windows market, the vacated "niche" would be quickly filled.

It might be harder than you think to replace highly refined creative tools such as Illustrator or Photoshop. Although they have become rather bloated and the last few versions have failed to innovate in significant ways, there is a lot of graphics professionals who would be very reluctant to waste all that hard-won muscle-memory. Plus there's a lot of work-flow knowledge in them there apps.

I agree that replacing Illustrator and Photoshop are nontrivial. I doubt that a typical startup could do it.

On the other hand, it would be a natural fit for someone like Autodesk given their resources and markets. Retail box graphics applications could make sense in Microsoft's product line. Even Corel would be in a position to capitalize on Adobe leaving the Windows market.

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I've often wondered why Apple doesn't buy Adobe, kill all development for PCs, and leave Microsoft high and dry in the creative market. Just saying...

I wonder if Microsoft is thinking the same thing. Either as a defensive move to make sure Photoshop will always work on Windows or as an offensive move and making Photoshop and friends windows only in an attempt to strangle the OS X platform.

If CS became Windows-only, it would mean a great resurgence for Quark, along with those guys in Texas who got Freehand back from Macromedia.

Re: Microsoft Buying Adobe?

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Jokes aside, it makes perfect sense for both of them. Adobe's CS and Microsoft Office are naturally self-complementing desktop giants. Both companies make a ton of money selling desktop software to the enterprise, yet outside of Flash/Sliverlight battle they don't cross each other paths. I, for one, welcome this development. It brings some hopes for better performing Flash, which I hate with a passion but its a fact…

"it makes perfect sense for both of them..."

"I, for one, welcome..."

Uh, yeah... I agree it makes perfect sense for both of them. For anyone who isn't Microsoft or Adobe, the prospect seems less appealing. Two companies with considerable monopolistic sway in their respective markets come together to improve their profit margins?

Merging two huge globs that each can extract rent on their various properties into a single similar vast glob. What could possibly go wrong...

Re: Microsoft Buying Adobe?

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Not disagreeing, but Innovators Dilemma theory says that companies that are about to be disrupted are enjoying the greatest profits and margins ever. The problem is that the reason the profits are so high is that they've shed their less profitable divisions and products that might grow into the next big innovation. Let's say something disrupts MSFTs Office and shrinks its revenue - what do they have that could replac…

what do they have that could replace that? Sharepoint, SQLServer, Windows 7, Windows Server, Windows Virtual Server, CRM, Exchange Server, XBox, Xbox live, Bing, Zune, Microsoft Automotive platform, Win 7 phone. Microsoft has one of the most diverse revenue streams of any software company. They're going to be around for a while. Google should actually be more afraid of disruptive technologies. Their revenue is primar…

I disagree. Microsoft derives a bulk of its revenues and profits from packaged software (Windows and Office). These products are on the verge of being disrupted. Computing is shifting away from the desktop to "thin devices" (tablets, smartphones, etc), cloud computing, and online media. Microsoft is performing relatively poorly in all three of these new computing areas.

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Microsoft isn't stupid. They won't make Flash Windows only and they won't make Flash Windows Phone 7 only.

But continued Linux support is clearly a possible cancellation.

I disagree they took over datadirect jdbc and support it for both linux and windows!

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The Rare team was spun out of Microsoft. They were the video game company that Microsoft bought from Nintendo. They were responsible for Golden Eye, Conquer, and Perfect Dark. I'm not sure if this would be considered a successful spin off though as Microsoft bought them when they were, IMHO, at their peak.

I would not count Rare as a good acquisition: Microsoft bought them for $375M, and they haven't produced a single hit since. To put that in perspective, Bungie (a much smaller studio than Rare at the time) was acquired for less than $40M, and their games and IP generated over $1B (and counting) in revenue for Microsoft.

I could be wrong but I remember reading that the second MS bought them, all of Rare's talent left.
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