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Our experience launching a paid, proprietary product on Linux

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Re: Our experience launching a paid, proprietary product on Linux

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Other than being engaged by Canonical, is there a reason the Snap platform be preferable to the Flatpak one?

Snap does not even support systems where the home directory is not /home/$user (e.g., a lot of NFS setups) so I'd be very careful. It's a long standing bug and not even the (so far useless) error message has been adjusted.

To distribute to Ubuntu users it's good though, due to being well integrated.

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This would sound like wisdom, except that all of the other email clients for Linux are garbage. I bought Mailbird because it looked amazing and had the feature set I wanted. It has done its job extremely well, and I'm very happy with it. But it doesn't have a Linux client; it's only for Windows. I have six active email addresses spread across multiple providers - Office365, Exchange, Gmail, GSuite, and Zoho. I need a…

That is exactly the reason for Gmail support. It's not moving focus away from Linux/Office365 but it accommodates people that want to have their Gmail accounts in the same client as their Office 365 / Exchange accounts.

The prime use case there would seem to be intermingling your work and personal email.

That doesn't seem like a great idea, on many levels.

Re: Our experience launching a paid, proprietary product on Linux

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"Unfortunately, the fundamentalist FOSS mentality we encountered on Reddit is still alive and well. Some Linux blogs and Podcasts simply won’t give us the time of day. This is not a problem with the mainstream tech blogs and is a problem unique to Linux." It seems weird that this guy will try to promote his product to the Linux community and chooses to do it by insulting its user base. While not all Linux users have…

> FOSS mentality we encountered on Reddit

Reddit is well known for not attracting the best communities and the most reasonable people.

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Quite a neat insight and somewhat confirming what I think personally; Linux users largely don't use Linux for FLOSS reasons. People who do use Linux for FLOSS reasons are however rather loud. I would probably not be wrong when saying that most Linux users will happily pay a developer for the binary of an application if the dev is "doing it right". Doing it right largely involves "don't treat the customer as a walking…

As one of the "Linux for FLOSS" users--and, yes, quite loud about it--I am inclined to agree. I would pay good money for a high quality application on Linux. But in large part, one of the less-philosophical, more-practical things that I value about FLOSS is the opportunity to fix things if something doesn't work right. While I would gladly purchase an incredible, closed source application, I would much more value the…

I've always thought that this is the key to bridging the gap between proprietary and OSS, and it's what we do with our software. In our case, the source code does cost extra, but that's because we're selling developer libraries and we typically need to provide extra support to customers that purchase the source code because they are also (typically) customizing the source code in some way.

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Completely unrelated to the contents: Please, publishers, I beg you: walk away from medium. It's terrible for us, your readers. Set up a static blog, with a domain, go WordPress, Grav, Typo3, anything, but without stupidly large sticky header/footer and without heavy javascript . EDIT: apparently 121KB javascript is not heavy. I still believe it's an overkill for 30KB content.

Why is it that I only ever hear those complaints on HN and never elsewhere... Are you all still using Pentium 3 PCs and 56k modems?

It's the engineering sloppiness that is annoying, as much as the on-screen end-result.

Super Mario for NES, a full commercial video-game, weighs in at 32KB.

The JavaScript on a Medium page takes almost quadruple that space to achieve.... nothing at all, roughly speaking.

Re: Our experience launching a paid, proprietary product on Linux

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Danr4 wrote a javascript bookmarklet that gets rid those stupid fixed elements [1]. He posted it on here before. It certainly makes those sites more bearable. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16616682

For power users, this is an option, but the truth is: this supposed to be and should be fixed on the publisher side.

Agreed. It's a workaround, not a fix.

Re: Our experience launching a paid, proprietary product on Linux

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That is exactly the reason for Gmail support. It's not moving focus away from Linux/Office365 but it accommodates people that want to have their Gmail accounts in the same client as their Office 365 / Exchange accounts.

The prime use case there would seem to be intermingling your work and personal email. That doesn't seem like a great idea, on many levels.

Yup, from a personal perspective I agree. I don't like to cross the streams either but a lot of people do.

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Office 365 comes with a very good web verison of Outlook, which supports more modern features than most email clients do (such as Office 365 Groups). I suspect it doesn't bother them hugely that desktop client support is falling behind on any platform. edited to add: Oddly I can't find much marketing by Microsoft of the browser Outlook, otherwise I'd link it here, but I'd say it's about 85-90% feature complete compar…

I do agree that the Outlook web app is good and is getting better all the time. Personally though (and I think a lot of people would agree), I like to have a standalone email client that doesn't constantly get lost in tab clutter.

Having used webmail for about 7 years (I used Gnus before), the tab clutter problem is easy to avoid. Right click the tab, select "Pin tab", and you're done.

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1280x800 means you can have ad blocker at least (or tampermonkey). Block bottom bar and make header scrollable for this site once. Phones lack this, sadly.

Firefox on Android can install uBlock.

And uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger.

Re: Our experience launching a paid, proprietary product on Linux

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This would sound like wisdom, except that all of the other email clients for Linux are garbage. I bought Mailbird because it looked amazing and had the feature set I wanted. It has done its job extremely well, and I'm very happy with it. But it doesn't have a Linux client; it's only for Windows. I have six active email addresses spread across multiple providers - Office365, Exchange, Gmail, GSuite, and Zoho. I need a…

That is exactly the reason for Gmail support. It's not moving focus away from Linux/Office365 but it accommodates people that want to have their Gmail accounts in the same client as their Office 365 / Exchange accounts.

I'm a consultant. My clients often use Outlook/Exchange. My consulting company uses Google Apps. I also tend to create a per-client GMail persona, so that I can work around issues with corporate Exchange servers (aggressive content filtering, misguided attachment quarantines, or just to keep work-related-but-social stuff out of the corporate inbox), and have a convenient OAuth login option. I would welcome anything that allows me to use a single client.

Another reason for wanting a client that works with Exchange and Google is simply wanting to use the same app both at work and at home, even if you never cross the streams and access them both from the same instance.

And as others have mentioned, Linux email clients suck. I'm a huge proponent of open-source software, and prefer free clients wherever possible. No one has made a free email client that I can tolerate. They're so bad that I tend to stick to web clients. Hiri's client reminds me of Polymail on MacOS, which is the only non-game, non-cloud application I've paid for in the past decade.

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