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The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

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Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

dfee wrote: post #99
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #58

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Clear nail polish works too. It's also a good makeshift loctite for tiny screws.

Never heard of this. Interesting.

Yeah, I worked at an optical lab to pay for college. We'd have customers come in with screws that wouldn't stay in so we'd use clear nail polish. I'm sure for some uses, loctite would be better, but nail polish does very good. We'd also use it on metal temple pieces when someone's facial oils had done a number on it. We'd buff the pieces smooth and coat with clear nail polish. Not a perfect fix, but would get someone who could afford new glasses by for a while longer.

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Post by karmakaze »

meritt wrote: post #104
userbinator wrote: post #20

The fact that the membrane is still vented (labeled 321 in the diagram) suggests that this will only delay, and not fix the dust ingress problem. Indeed, it could make things worse by creating a tiny pump[1] that draws particles in on each keystroke. I don't know why they didn't vent from the bottom instead, but that's how completely sealed (i.e. waterproof) keypads are vented. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaph…

> wow, downvotes? Care to explain...? You were being critical of Apple. That's literally it. You'll notice it comes in waves. Rapid downvotes at first followed by slow and methodical upvotes. That's why you're top now, but it sure as hell took a while, didn't it? The visceral supporters, the shills, and the bots act first. Later, the reasoned adults come in and sometimes adjust things. Read the comments on Microsoft…

> You were being critical of Apple.

This doesn't fall under improper discourse as there was no discernible inflammatory tone. HN is a collection of critical thinkers and in this case offered an enlightening and relevant mechanical design point.

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

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Post by api »

meritt wrote: post #104
userbinator wrote: post #20

The fact that the membrane is still vented (labeled 321 in the diagram) suggests that this will only delay, and not fix the dust ingress problem. Indeed, it could make things worse by creating a tiny pump[1] that draws particles in on each keystroke. I don't know why they didn't vent from the bottom instead, but that's how completely sealed (i.e. waterproof) keypads are vented. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaph…

> wow, downvotes? Care to explain...? You were being critical of Apple. That's literally it. You'll notice it comes in waves. Rapid downvotes at first followed by slow and methodical upvotes. That's why you're top now, but it sure as hell took a while, didn't it? The visceral supporters, the shills, and the bots act first. Later, the reasoned adults come in and sometimes adjust things. Read the comments on Microsoft…

Wow. I thought I was nuts for noticing this pattern. I have seen it when criticizing various nation states, politicians, and other corporations both here and on Reddit. I guess current generation bots are dumb and have no time delay.

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

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Post by eeeeeeeeeeeee »

corey_moncure wrote: post #69

Was the old keyboard engineering so bad? I feel like Apple has been fixing what wasn't broken since about 2010, regarding the MBP at least. Literally all they needed to do was retina screen, upgrade the internals, and add a few USB-C ports. Was anyone ever legitimately inconvenienced by the thickness of the 2010 MBP? I know I was directly inconvenienced by the loss of MagSafe, ethernet, SD card and USB-A, the loss of…

I prefer the new keyboard (and I like that it's louder), but I have been affected by numerous failures in different machines. I also know many people who have experienced this exact same issue, often within a year of purchase. Two laptops I purchased in 2016 from the same store both had the issue, brand new. But I've had 2017 models with the same issue.

I don't believe this problem is really a limited as Apple has been saying, but they never seem to admit the true scale of problems.

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Post by 21 »

marksi wrote: post #140
blackguardx wrote: post #78

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You are correct. USB A ports are usually only rated to 1500 insertion cycles because that is what the standard specifies. Micro USB and USB C ports are specced at 10,000 insertion cycles.

I am stunned to hear micro USB is rated for that many insertions. The implementation must not live up to the standard. In my experience, anecdotal, I know, microUSB is the most unreliable of all the USB form factors I've experienced. Bad connectors on cables, and ports that regularly fail internally (not levered off the board.) I have considered replacing ports with miniusb, or a tethered B port because micro has bee…

MicroUSB is supposedly designed in such a way that the stress is placed on the cable connector which is easier to replace, not the device connector which is attached to an expensive device.

But yeah, I can't imagine Micro-USB being more reliable than regular USB-A.

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Post by 21 »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #114
matthewmacleod wrote: post #112

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No, that proves literally nothing. It’s hardly an industrial connector, but AFAIK it’s rated for 10k inserts which is more than enough.

Try unplugging XLR

Yeah, that's exactly what I need, XLR plugs on my phone :)

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Post by briandear »

EpicEng wrote: post #61
threeseed wrote: post #25

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The escape key never disappeared. It’s just a soft key rather than a physical one. I use it hundreds of times a day with vim and have never had problems.

You use vim all day and you don't re-map escape? Really?

I don’t remap escape either. I remap caps lock to control and that’s about it. In my opinion most of those screaming loudest about the soft escape key haven’t really used it for more than a minute. It’s not as big of a deal as it’s beubg made out to be.

To me using a remapped escape takes more cognitive energy than using the soft escape.

Re: The Great Apple Keyboard Cover-Up

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Post by briandear »

garmaine wrote: post #101
madeofpalk wrote: post #8

This is in-line with the the 'under promise and over deliver" mantra I was taught at Apple Retail. Don't make any promises you can't keep, and silently start to fix issues like this. Apple having a hardware fix for their keyboard disasters in this revision is also inline with their repair program they just issued.

> Apple having a hardware fix for their keyboard disasters in this revision is also inline with their repair program they just issued. Yes, they just issued a repair program. Until precisely 3 weeks ago Apple refused to acknowledge the issue and forced customers to pay for costly repairs on their own dime. This patent was filed in September 2016. Apple was fucking lying through their teeth for a full 22 months and ha…

Because the vast majority of people didn’t have keyboard problems. And the vast majority of people that bought Apple Care wouldn’t be paying out of pocket for any of this assuming they bought their machine in 2015 or later.

Not everything is some conspiracy. Filing patents on improved designs doesn’t mean the old design was flawed and terrible. They are always filing patents on the next thing and hopefully everything is an improvement on what came before it.

Claiming they are lying is unfounded nonsense.

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