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Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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Post by naikrovek » Sun, Jul 15, 2018, 5:35 AM UTC

scintill76 wrote: post #79

commaai wrote: post #71

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There's no Android GC, there's a Java GC. Python on Android isn't written in Java, it's CPython, written in C. Python has a GC as well, but we turn it off for the control loop processes. https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/blob/devel/selfdrive/co... Haters love to bring up the Python, but they never stick around long enough to explain exactly why it's a problem.

Android is not typically a realtime OS. The root of the point, about uncontrolled pauses, is valid IMO.

The safety-relevant code runs on a microcontroller in the CAN dongle and is written in C.

Why does everyone assume the phone is doing all the work?

Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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Post by leesec » Sun, Jul 15, 2018, 6:57 PM UTC

juliangoldsmith wrote: post #8

What would the point of current self-driving car systems be? If you can't take your attention off the road anyway, it's basically a glorified, expensive cruise control.

The point would be to save lives. With most accidents coming from drivers being drunk/distracted, a vastly improved cruise control could prevent many deaths.

Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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Post by jrace » Sun, Jul 15, 2018, 9:37 PM UTC

yters wrote: post #130

jrace wrote: post #42

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>Humans are the only known information creators What do you think whale-sounds and bird-songs are?

If whale-sounds and bird-songs are information, and human intelligence is the only thing that can create information, then the conclusion is whales and birds were created by some kind of intelligence.

So it is your belief that whales and birds and all other animals were created by humans?

And if so, then why would a human not be able to create an AI that is capable of creating information?

Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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Post by ant6n » Mon, Jul 16, 2018, 8:23 AM UTC

nojvek wrote: post #123

wbl wrote: post #104

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Or on dedicated tracks.

I really don’t mind dedicated tracks. Then we just have self driving taxis/buses that service predefined points. Nothing wrong with that. A 24/7 transport system that gets you to the last mile and is cheap is an impressive achievement.

> I really don’t mind dedicated tracks. Then we just have self driving taxis/buses that service predefined points

That's an interesting way to describe trains

Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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Post by brokenmachine » Tue, Jul 17, 2018, 12:52 AM UTC

amelius wrote: post #108

brokenmachine wrote: post #66

I'm personally very happy that homemade self-driving tech would be illegal to use on the road in my country.

How about a small startup selling that tech? Would it be legal to use? Curious, what kind of regulations does your country have in place?

I'm in Australia.

Cars need to be registered to legally be on the road, and you couldn't register a car with some homemade self-driving tech attached to it.

If you had a small startup selling the tech, I'm sure there's some painful and lengthy process to prove it's safe. But certainly if the code is user-modifiable, it wouldn't be approved.

How do other countries operate without such regulations? Certainly I've seen some crazy car mods on the road in US TV shows that would never be allowed without masses of red tape here in Australia. Even to import a normal car from Japan to Australia you need to get child restraint attachments installed/engineer approval/etc.

I don't know how a car could possibly be considered safe otherwise. Some of those "Pimp my Ride"-type show mods just don't seem safe.

Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 18, 2018, 3:50 AM UTC

naikrovek wrote: post #141

scintill76 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android is not typically a realtime OS. The root of the point, about uncontrolled pauses, is valid IMO.

The safety-relevant code runs on a microcontroller in the CAN dongle and is written in C. Why does everyone assume the phone is doing all the work?

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Re: George Hotz is on a hacker crusade against the ‘scam’ of self-driving cars

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Post by yters » Sat, Jul 21, 2018, 4:05 PM UTC

jrace wrote: post #143

yters wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If whale-sounds and bird-songs are information, and human intelligence is the only thing that can create information, then the conclusion is whales and birds were created by some kind of intelligence.

So it is your belief that whales and birds and all other animals were created by humans? And if so, then why would a human not be able to create an AI that is capable of creating information?

I think they were created by God. God is a meta-intelligence, an intelligent being that can create other intelligent beings. Our intelligence is only capable of creating mechanical beings, which are necessarily not intelligent.

The second question does not follow. If intelligence is defined by the ability to do something non-algorithmic (i.e. create information), then AI can never be intelligent.