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Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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The funny thing is that Reddit completely inadvertently killed one of the possible heirs in Voat. That site had potential to steal the traditional Reddit audience due to Reddit's mismanagement. However Reddit's crackdown on hate on the site caused a big exodus of problem users to Voat. The end result is that Voat is now a vile alt-right wasteland that presents no threat of stealing Reddit's mainstream audience.

That's like how some online games don't entirely ban cheat users but only match them with other cheaters, giving them a taste of their own medicine. There's a tipping point in the evolution of communities. When there are too many acting in an anti-social manner such that fun or business is impaired, people quit. If not addressed the community permanently declines. There's a term of art in philosophy called universali…

> universalizability

Just for those interested in philosophy but lacking knowledge of the subject, this is technically correct but not the complete picture. The term "universalizability" is informal and not precise in describing Kant's morality; it falls under his categorical imperative.[0] I suggest the entire linked SEP article for a more thorough discussion of the topic.

[0]: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/kant-moral/#CatHypImp

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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75 points in 20 minutes? How are there that many people browsing /newest?

HN is completly flawn by marketing actions. This isn't new but it's now very bad...

If you have evidence of people successfully gaming HN with 'marketing actions', I'd like to see it at hn@ycombinator.com. We work hard to stop that, at least in its abusive forms such as ring-voting.

Abuse exists, of course, but people also imagine it onto everything they see on HN that they happen to dislike. Then they come to the comment threads to post unsubstantiated claims about it. That doesn't help.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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post #57

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The funny thing is that Reddit completely inadvertently killed one of the possible heirs in Voat. That site had potential to steal the traditional Reddit audience due to Reddit's mismanagement. However Reddit's crackdown on hate on the site caused a big exodus of problem users to Voat. The end result is that Voat is now a vile alt-right wasteland that presents no threat of stealing Reddit's mainstream audience.

Why can't another site pop up? There was one last year with a 4(?) letter name I forget (Lyme or something?) but it failed and shut down because it's impossible to pay the server bills with only nontoxic content, apparently.

You may be thinking of Imzy. IIRC, Imzy required you to sign in before you could see anything. That probably scared off a lot of potential users.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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I've been trying to pin down _why_ I've had the same reaction as you, but I really can't put my finger on it. Something about the new site just somehow puts me off. While I could mindlessly browse the old site endlessly, something about the new actively makes me want to close the tab. Either way, a good thing.

The new design made me leave as well, it had been s long time coming though. Most discussions are dumb, I can’t remember the last time I had a conversation on reddit where I wasn’t the most knowledgeable person in the thread, and that’s just a waste of time. It’s not that people are stupid, sometimes you’re simply talking to a teenager with no life experience. Often it is because people are kind of stupid. My nationa…

I agree, the redesign isn't great but that's not what killed it for me. The same discussions will keep happening there with no changes. I've had the same thoughts as you about discussing with teenagers.

/r/Australia isn't particularly racist or astroturfed but there is still a lot of times I'm amazed at what gets upvoted. /r/bjj is a good place for jiu jitsu content but the same stuff is posted across every network and the communities are so small we all know any news pretty quickly.

Maybe I just got older and care less about reading or discussing the same topics all the time. I've had the same trouble with Facebook recently where so many lies fill any comment section.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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Too many mobile sites do this now; there's a reason I keep declining to use the app... BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO. The reason is irrelevant, and they don't ask for it anyways. They just keep badgering and badgering and badgering to try to figure out WHO YOU ARE and tag your phone info/MEID across the internet... Do you really think they can't connect that info? LinkedIn is the worst example because they represent profes…

I hate it when it's something like Facebook, Twitter or Reddit asking me repeatedly to download their app but even worst is when it's some random website I'm visiting once! No, I don't want your app, random one-off recipe site!

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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People are complaining about reddit here, but it applies equally to every other online company, especially bloody Medium! It's the main reason I wish people would stop using Medium to host their blogs, because there's an uncloseable "open in app" button in the middle of the content.

Medium is ridiculous. only readable with reader mode.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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This is actually one of the reasons why I prefer to comment on hackernews instead of reddit. If they keep pestering users about its ad-filled, personal information-collecting apps, people will probably stop using it and just leave. If they really care about reddit, they might make a browser plugin that edits the page and gets rid of all the annoyances.

I've actually completely stopped using Reddit since migrating to HN. The content is better, the comments are far better, and the overall user experience is massively superior.

If all you want to read is tech stuff, HN is a great replacement. If you participate in any of the smaller or narrow focus subreddits then there's no place on HN for that.

In my case that's mainly game-specific subs, and places like /r/paintball.

Re: Please stop asking me to use the app

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I've had to start disabling notifications on just about everything due similar tactics across the app-o-system. Facebook spam was getting nuts; phone vibrating at 2AM because somebody I haven't had contact with in years has updated a picture? Google has even been getting really bad with TV show episode availability updates for shows I have never watched or searched for? Or is that some other app? I think the shark is…

At this point I don't know why anybody would have the Facebook app installed. You can't even read messages on it. But yeah notifications in general needs a strong enforcement from Google if we don't have to turn them off completely.

Facebook's mobile site pushes "Facebook Lite" so much, there's no way I'm installing it. It clearly has more tracking built in than they can do with the website.
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