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Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by jmull »

tomp wrote: post #103
fareesh wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I have understood of this topic: If the relationship continues, the power could be used to favour the subordinate over other subordinates (give them good reviews, etc). If the relationship ends poorly, the power could be used to spite the subordinate over other subordinates (give them poor reviews, etc).

But really, how is that different from any other decision an employee might do that prioritises their own personal gain over their company’s benefit?

I don't think it is different.

Companies that are large/sophisticated enough to have formal policies of employee conduct generally ban a wide range of behaviors that prioritizes the employee's personal gain over the company's.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by ForRealsies »

YorkshireSeason wrote: post #31

Interesting though experiment: Let S be the set of all humans. Remove any human from S who had at least one pair of ancestors (no matter how far in the past) that had a boss/subordinate relationship that is now deemed 'inappropriate' in large western countries. How many humans would be left in S? Conjecture: Zero. Does that say anything interesting about humans?

Men compete in dominance hierarchies. Women depend on these hierarchies to choose mates. Throughout human history, men and women did not compete in the same dominance hierarchy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eATDp2e-3k

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by wetpaws »

ansible wrote: post #138
InTheArena wrote: post #93

Intel is in serious trouble right now.They accidentally gaffed recently and stated that their goal was "to keep AMD from getting more then 10-20% of the server market" while they deal with a whole bunch of engineering and fab problems with their current generation of chips. They are also looking down the barrel of Apple abandoning Intel, and for the first time in two decades, unleashing a true X86 competitor to the m…

> Intel is in serious trouble right now. The whole semiconductor industry is in trouble right now, though few seem to feel the weight of the issue. We are looking at just a couple process nodes at best before we reach the end of the road for silicon lithography. Sure, there will be further tweaks on existing techniques which will squeeze out small improvements in power, performance and density. But long gone are the…

Intel has a lot of interesting stuff outside of CPU area, for example NVM

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by lovich »

YorkshireSeason wrote: post #69
inscionent wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting though experiment: Let S be the set of all humans. Remove any human from S who had at least one pair of ancestors (no matter how far in the past) that had an abusive relationship that is now deemed 'inappropriate' in large western countries. How many humans would be left in S? Conjecture: Zero. Does that say anything interesting about humans?

This is a very good reply, and it can be used to refine the analysis, and bring out the difference between both: - abusive relationship was typically considered problematic by at least one participant even at the time. - Boss / subordinate relationship was typically not considered problematic by both participants at the time. Classic examples doctor/nurse, pilot/stewardess, professor/PhD student, lawyer/secretary. I…

I mean, I get what you're saying but there have been plenty of people in relationships that would be criminally abusive who didn't have a problem with the relationship.

Just because someone thought the situation was fine doesn't mean that it was good for society, and unless we become a libertarian paradise those questions are going to be asked when the situation has the heuristics that point to there being a problem

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by randomguy23 »

sbinthree wrote: post #5

There is no way you would fire a CEO you actually wanted in place because they had a consensual relationship with a subordinate in the past . Why are US companies always so aggressive about moralising these issues? No one would take issue if he carried a gun at work. Why is it that corporate morals rule?

Why is it that morals rule on message boards?

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by ansible »

wetpaws wrote: post #143
ansible wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Intel is in serious trouble right now. The whole semiconductor industry is in trouble right now, though few seem to feel the weight of the issue. We are looking at just a couple process nodes at best before we reach the end of the road for silicon lithography. Sure, there will be further tweaks on existing techniques which will squeeze out small improvements in power, performance and density. But long gone are the…

Intel has a lot of interesting stuff outside of CPU area, for example NVM

Advancement of that is also dependent on silicon lithography.

Again, what's the valuation of Intel if (in the future) we see them churning out the same 1GB NVMe cards at the same cost with the same performance? The valuation of Intel and every other tech company is based on future growth potential.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by daeken »

paulddraper wrote: post #111
sbinthree wrote: post #5

There is no way you would fire a CEO you actually wanted in place because they had a consensual relationship with a subordinate in the past . Why are US companies always so aggressive about moralising these issues? No one would take issue if he carried a gun at work. Why is it that corporate morals rule?

> Why are US companies always so aggressive about moralising these issues? Or consider Mozilla's week-long CEO who years earlier donated $1000 to a popular ballot initiative supported by most California voters. Be careful how you vote, citizen. Your livelihood depends on it.

I really liked that you skipped over what that ballot initiative was. He donated in support of Prop 8, an attempt to ban same-sex marriage in California. As a former Mozilla employee, I'm pretty glad that he was ousted for his homophobia. Good riddance.

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Post by Symmetry »

YorkshireSeason wrote: post #31

Interesting though experiment: Let S be the set of all humans. Remove any human from S who had at least one pair of ancestors (no matter how far in the past) that had a boss/subordinate relationship that is now deemed 'inappropriate' in large western countries. How many humans would be left in S? Conjecture: Zero. Does that say anything interesting about humans?

You could say the same thing about ancestors who are murderers, as a reductio ad absurdum. Obviously just because our forebears did something doesn't mean that that is good.

Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by Bartweiss »

corpMaverick wrote: post #127
mtgx wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They had so many reasons to push him out. I feel like the board has been aware of the relationship for a while, but they got together one day to figure out which public reason to give for the ousting of Krzanich. And they chose this, which is probably the reason with the least negative impact on whatever is left of Krzanich' career. He may even get high-fives for it at his next gig. At the end of the day, they had to…

The easier way for Krzanich was to let him resign because "he wanted to spend more time with his family".

Honestly, I'm not entirely clear why people are saying this was him being forced out. Unless a CEO decides to fight the board, it's easy enough to just say "hey, you're done so pick a graceful reason to resign". There are plenty of "time with the family" resignations out there with no need to dig up dirt.
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