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Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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oliveshell wrote: post #135
reificator wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we lose Mouth Moods[0] it will be a horrific cultural loss for the internet itself. Bustin' actually came up next on my "everything" playlist while I was typing this comment. [0]: http://www.neilcic.com/mouthmoods/

Thankfully— at least in this case— Neil offering the album as a free lossless download on his website means countless archival-quality copies are saved on PCs the world over!

Yep, though I must admit I downloaded the lossless and uploaded it straight to Google Play Music where it gets converted to lossy.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by reificator »

dangrossman wrote: post #126
reificator wrote: post #27

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I'm not demonizing the people making it, or even necessarily the people demanding it be made. The DMCA was the beginning of the end of a free and open internet, and now it's accelerating. I just hope the next generation understands what they're missing under the spectre of copyright law.

Prior to the DMCA, ISPs had full liability for copyright infringement committed by their customers online. Small ISPs were being sued out of existence, and it was only a matter of time before nobody would be willing to run an ISP at all. The DMCA (specifically Section 512) was the thing that saved the free and open internet by introducing limited liability for ISPs.

That's fair and I don't want to downplay that aspect. But that's not the only thing the DMCA does.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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eftychis wrote: post #132
jstanley wrote: post #86

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It's partly checking that you're a human. It's partly using you for free labour to train their next generation of SkyNet. We've reached a point with CAPTCHAs (originally conceived as a way for humans to exert their will over machines) where the machines are now setting tasks for the humans, and the humans are carrying out the tasks without putting up too much of a fight.

That. CAPTCHAs are used as free labour. The only reason you don't see them everywhere is because people would stop using Google.

We've done it. We've cracked the code.

This thread is complaining about the fully automated process used by Google to check for copyright violations, and how infeasible it is to hire someone to check each video.

You're talking about how CAPTCHAs are now being used to get free labour.

> Prove you're human: Does the following video contain Beat It by Michael Jackson?

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by taneq »

avs733 wrote: post #81
pitaj wrote: post #75

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According to some, YouTube's copyright filters / markers aren't good enough to satisfy the EU directive. It's insane. The DMCA is bad enough already. Copyright should be loosened, not tightened. Then maybe we'd see some competition in video hosting.

I've always felt like false assertion of copyright should cause the loss of copyright. Seems like a fair balance for me. And before someone gets on me...I realize that these are automated filters that are rarely asserted by the actual copyright holder.

> I've always felt like false assertion of copyright should cause the loss of copyright.

Which copyright should be lost, if the assertion was false?

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by eftychis »

reificator wrote: post #143
eftychis wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That. CAPTCHAs are used as free labour. The only reason you don't see them everywhere is because people would stop using Google.

We've done it. We've cracked the code. This thread is complaining about the fully automated process used by Google to check for copyright violations, and how infeasible it is to hire someone to check each video. You're talking about how CAPTCHAs are now being used to get free labour. > Prove you're human: Does the following video contain Beat It by Michael Jackson ?

I am pretty sure they have considered it. Probably there is a legal hiccup laying here -- you either have reasonable suspicion that the material you show is copyrighted, or you acknowledge your algorithms and AI suck and you require crowd-sourcing. Kind of a lose-lose legally, and they would possibly introduce liability.

Recall the goal of Google is to avoid liability via the statement "we are pretty good and have really low false negatives", and have as few false positives as not to make the platform unusable.

Google does not care about content creators or propagation of knowledge (instructive videos) and ideas. Simple statement here. Google engineers might (at least the friends I have), but not as a whole organization.

But yeah crowd-sourcing is a good way to do a second sifting through results. I know it is being used, by Google and others, already to classify video sources.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by dvtv75 »

mygo wrote: post #79
simion314 wrote: post #38

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Humans are to blame for using horrible AI/software. At least if you know your AI is that broken then have some human supervision.

today in order to do a Google search I had to prove to Google that I wasn’t a robot. And even though I did it right the second time, they still made me do it a third time. I just remember sitting there going, Google, I actually am a human and your AI sucks so if I have to tap on storefronts and cars one more time to do a freaking Google search then I’m just using Bing.

A few days back, to allow me to download the software I had just bought, the site kept putting up those damned pictures for me to click on. Street signs were the first three, I apparently got all of those wrong (even though I got them right), shop fronts was the next lot (that's a little harder to work through, I can't tell Chinese shop fronts from Chinese warehouses by text alone) and I had two of those, then more street signs, and finally cars.

It took longer to confirm I was human than it did to download the software. My partner came through to see if I was alright, after I was shouting abuse at the computer for an extended period. She sat through one of them with me, confirmed that I had it right, then swore and walked away when it decided I was wrong.

If I'd known that it was going to screw me over that much, I would have recorded it and put the video on YouTube.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by gnulinux »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #51
Jyaif wrote: post #45

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ContentID is not AI by any definition of AI, it's signal processing.

I believe the implication is that youtube has replaced the human reviewers with an ML-based system.

I think saying signal processing is AI is like saying the entire CS is AI, which is bizarre. There are all sorts of algorithms and disciplines in CS that are not AI. I think the commenter you're replying to was complaining about this.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by gnulinux »

local_yokel wrote: post #117
avian wrote: post #69

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I got a copyright strike once for a video with no apparent reason. After closer inspection, I could in fact hear a radio playing somewhere in the background if I really turned up the volume. I found it incredible that YouTube’s algorithm was able to pick it up at that signal-to-noise ratio.

For people with a signal processing background, this is actually a very trivial thing. The basic technique has been in use for probably a hundred years - radar being a classical example - nothing at all to do with Google. Basically, you can get a signal-to-noise ratio improvement proportional to the duration of the signal you're attempting to detect (in this case, audio), thus allowing you to detect very weak signals…

This is very true. In UC Berkeley, the very first linear algebra course all EE/CS freshman take (EE 16A) has a lab that does EXACTLY this. You match part of a song with some very noisy sound. If freshmen are taught to do this, it's easily something Google can do.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by garmaine »

avs733 wrote: post #81
pitaj wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to some, YouTube's copyright filters / markers aren't good enough to satisfy the EU directive. It's insane. The DMCA is bad enough already. Copyright should be loosened, not tightened. Then maybe we'd see some competition in video hosting.

I've always felt like false assertion of copyright should cause the loss of copyright. Seems like a fair balance for me. And before someone gets on me...I realize that these are automated filters that are rarely asserted by the actual copyright holder.

> I've always felt like false assertion of copyright should cause the loss of copyright. Seems like a fair balance for me.

I don’t understand. I put out a takedown request for something I don’t have the copyrights to and as a result the real copyright holder loses their copyright? How is that fair?

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by gnulinux »

robotmlg wrote: post #17
shittyadmin wrote: post #13

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I think a big chunk of the problem now is that when people want to watch regularly released video content from internet creators they reach to YouTube, there's no integration of subscriptions across sites. You'd basically have to scrape video feeds from youtube to compete in this way.

If only there were some way to Syndicate website updates to a centralized reader in a Really Simple way...

I think RSS is a vastly underused technology/tool. I wonder at what point people lost hope in it and abandoned. Not to say, it's completely abandoned, but it's not used as much as it should be used.
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