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Re: Firefox 60 released

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Post by unethical_ban »

Xylakant wrote: post #90
billysielu wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's off by default. To enable it you have to go into about:config. I'm saying it should be on by default, or at least exposed in the Settings for people to find. The concern about doing that was that some sites would break, but their definition of break included things which should break because they were previously abusing the lack of FPI. I have been browsing with FPI on for a while and nothing has broken. Protect…

I have it enabled and I can attest that it breaks a fair amount of sites. I think it’s fair to expose that as an expert level setting. It could benefit from a bit of advertising though.

I wonder if it can be implemented on a per-site basis, like a security policy.

Exception: gitea uses Github oauth

Exception: unbury.me uses Google login

etc

Default: Full FPI

Re: Firefox 60 released

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Post by bugmen0t »

billysielu wrote: post #82
Xylakant wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First party isolation was added in FF55 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/another-tor-b...

It's off by default. To enable it you have to go into about:config. I'm saying it should be on by default, or at least exposed in the Settings for people to find. The concern about doing that was that some sites would break, but their definition of break included things which should break because they were previously abusing the lack of FPI. I have been browsing with FPI on for a while and nothing has broken. Protect…

Mozilla did a study with user testing. Breaks lots of federated logins / Single-sign on solutions. Too much breakage to enable it by default. If you confuse users with this, they switch to GChrome and all you did for them is a privacy disservice.

There's a First Party Isolation add-on though if you want a reachable toggle button.

Re: Firefox 60 released

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Post by catach »

newscracker wrote: post #11

The enterprise part is great to see (though it was something that seemed long overdue). I recently noticed on a Firefox mailing list that Mike Kaply (of Kaply Consulting, a company that helped with enterprise deployment and configuration of Firefox) had officially joined the Firefox team. Mike's presence is going to make Firefox in the enterprise much better. On Firefox 60, I'm still not on board with the newest vers…

On the one hand, the FF webextension API is under continual development [0]. On the other hand, "almost everything" previously possible does not seem not a realistic expectation since it'd mean the ability to change almost every single atom of browser behavior.

[0] https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2018/04/02/extensions-firefo...

Re: Firefox 60 released

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Post by sp332 »

dumbmatter wrote: post #130
sp332 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the CSV data available from http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-version-market-share new Firefox versions tend to dominate just 1-2 months after release. https://imgur.com/a/xzvAU4t

Firefox 52 may be around for a while - it's the last LTS before extensions were broken by Quantum, and it's also the last release that runs on XP and Vista.

As you can see in the graph, it's hovering around 0.5% of all browsers and ~10% of FF usage.

Re: Firefox 60 released

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Post by AdmiralAsshat »

godelski wrote: post #68
wpdev_63 wrote: post #34

If anyone from lastpass is reading this thread, please fix your plugin. Everytime I try to edit the password from the prompt on the page, it opens a blank page for the password vault page.

Anyone else get the bug where it doesn't auto-fill (shows grey box), you right click and it shows that you have no stored logins, and then once you close that (right click) menu you are prompted like normal? This happens to me frequently, though seems to be specific sites.

Mine's worse. Literally every other login fails. I don't get a rejection or anything--the box will light up and turn red--but the vault will appear empty and none of the sites will be found. I have to log out of it and login a second time (meaning put in my giant master password), and only the second time will it find the stuff in my vault correctly.

It's maddening.

Re: Firefox 60 released

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Post by _bxg1 »

davnicwil wrote: post #127
_bxg1 wrote: post #53

But did they fix the weird scrolling friction on Android? Seriously, it's the main reason I don't use Firefox.

I'm using Firefox on Android - not sure what friction you're referring to here, but the lack of 'reload on pull down when scrolled to top' feature is seriously annoying for me. Despite this, I stick with Firefox because I want to use it - I can imagine that the vast, vast majority of users who have no opinion on which browser they use simply don't/won't put up with this and just go back to the easier to use Chrome. I…

In every other Android app there's no bound on how much scroll momentum you can build up; if you want to zoom to the bottom of a long page, you can keep flicking to go as fast as you want. Firefox mobile adds an obnoxious amount of extra friction that prevents you from going much faster than your finger moves, making scrolling feel like wading through water.

As an aside, I think iOS might have the same behavior, which could be the reason they're doing it, but it goes against the system standard and is completely unbearable for me.

Re: Firefox 60 released

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Post by AsyncAwait »

grumblestumble wrote: post #69
apazzolini wrote: post #9

Unfortunately, looks like the CPU spikes are still a problem on OS X for me. I check this every time a new version is released as I'd love to make the switch from Chrome, but Firefox with one blank tab and no extensions uses more CPU than Chrome with 15 actual tabs. When I actually throw activity at Firefox it hogs the CPU even more. Here's hoping v61 addresses it.

Chiming in here. I would absolutely love to switch to Firefox for a host of reasons, ranging from "I don't want to use Google products" to "I love the tabs". Unfortunately, it's completely unusable for my workflow on a 2015 Macbook Pro with 16G RAM. I keep a variety of tabs pinned (JIRA, Zeplin, Gitlab, Jenkins, Invision, etc) and it seems as if they continue to hog a disproportionate amount of resources even when in…

> Unfortunately, it's completely unusable for my workflow on a 2015 Macbook Pro with 16G RAM

I run Arch Linux on this exact hardware and Firefox runs amazingly well there. It only runs like crap under macOS, which makes me think there's something with macOS specifically that's going on there.

Re: Firefox 60 released

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Post by beagle3 »

pmoriarty wrote: post #76

Does the new Firefox have something like RequestPolicy or NoScript?

uMatrix is excellent; more capabilities than RequestPolicy with a much better UI. Written by gorhill (Raymond Hill) who also made uBlock (and still maintains uBlock Origin); rock solid, low resource.

It's not for non-technical users, but if you are looking for RequestPolicy or NoScript I'm sure you'll manage.

Re: Firefox 60 released

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

wyoh wrote: post #88
kibwen wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pocket doesn't collect any browsing history. From the linked docs: > If the “Recommended by Pocket” feature is enabled, Pocket will send a list of the best stories on the web to Firefox every day. With each story, Pocket also sends a list of related websites that, when visited, signal likely interest in the story. Your Firefox browser compares your browsing history with the list of related websites to sort and filter…

The problem I have with “Recommended by Pocket”, is that it only recommend left-wing discourse. Great for creating a filter bubble…

I have no idea if they have a bias on what they send to Firefox, but their approach (send stories with a list of other sites that signal you might be interested) is obviously going to facilitate a filter bubble. Is your usual filter bubble right wing? If it is that suggests a bias on their part, otherwise maybe they're just amplifying your left wing browser history?
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