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Re: I am leaving llvm

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I, too, dream of a world where I can work with smart people without regard to their race, sexuality, gender, whatever, but it is naive to think that we are already living in that world. Like it or not, the entire system is stacked against minorities in ways that aren't even obvious or noticeable from a position of privilege. I work as an engineer in an office of 120 people in the East Bay. There are three black peopl…

I got your point, but I think that the problem is not "helping" (with scholarships) based on membership with minorities, but helping when there are bad economic or social conditions. This may be correlated with other attributes yes but I think that we must write rules for persons by only considering the factors that effectively prevent them from studying and not the skin color.

If you agree that there are hidden mechanisms that shape the inequality, then claiming that “only considering the factors that effectively prevent studying” is fair would require a great deal of certainty in knowing these factors. I don't know how effective “positive-discrimination” is in practice but to me it seems that its principle is to do what you say but with discriminatory features as a proxy heuristic for these “effective features” (this makes sense if you believe they are sufficiently immesurable IRL).

Re: I am leaving llvm

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That would indeed be objectionable! For someone unfamiliar with that history, can you give a few projects I should read up on to find out more?

Yes, you should read up on the Contributor Covenant. The creator of which is notorious for aggressively pushing to get the CoC included into projects and then harassing developers. Here's one of the more famous examples: https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 Also see how the creator tried to force this CoC into Ruby: https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/12004

How about an actual example of "usurping actual contributing developers and shifting the project focus from something technical to something political."? Just trying doesn't count.

Re: I am leaving llvm

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It seems you are allowed to respond, just in a civil way that follows the established guidelines

Do you agree with the actions of Coraline Ada Ehmke here: https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 Someone, on their personal twitter account, made a remark that Coraline Ada Ehmke found offensive. Coraline noticed that he was a contributor to the Opal project. So Coraline opened an issue on the project, called him an ugly name, and petitioned to have him removed from the project. I will not quietly submit to bossy bu…

https://where.coraline.codes/blog/on-opalgate/

Re: I am leaving llvm

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Do you agree with the actions of Coraline Ada Ehmke here: https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 Someone, on their personal twitter account, made a remark that Coraline Ada Ehmke found offensive. Coraline noticed that he was a contributor to the Opal project. So Coraline opened an issue on the project, called him an ugly name, and petitioned to have him removed from the project. I will not quietly submit to bossy bu…

https://where.coraline.codes/blog/on-opalgate/

You misread Elia's tweet in the first place. "Not willing to accept reality" as a reason for suicide is not about being delusional, it's about literally refusing to accept reality, where you are an outcast and nobody wants you around.

Re: I am leaving llvm

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>It does when those events and the decades that followed have prevented minorities from having the opportunities to become a good engineer. This isn't about you and I not recognizing talent in front of us, it's about giving that talent a chance to stand in front of, and ideally next to, us. Oh please. For decades, in the US, there have been programs designed to attract women and minorities to engineering and tech car…

It's an opinion that makes it very hard to work with you, if I were a woman or minority. I wouldn't want you to review my code, wondering if you think I'm competent or if I'm an entitled person benefiting from unfair "advantages that have been heaped upon" me.

This sounds very much like you're arguing against female engineering outreach programs and diversity hiring.
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