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No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”
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Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
During the 2G, 3G and 4G frequency auctions in Germany the prices went extremely high. As result carriers charge massive prices for data, and there’s few carriers in the market.
Hmmm, that's an interesting problem I hadn't thought of with the auctions. People are going to pay for data pretty much regardless of what it costs (within reason), so it's economical to buy part of the spectrum assuming you can pass on the high price to consumers. Typically you think of competition benefiting consumers, but that's obviously not true in this case.
Exactly, and that's how you end up with paying either 16€/mo for absolutely unlimited traffic, SMS and voice (plus 50GB tethering), as in Denmark, or 180€/mo for the cheapest contract with unlimited data, as in Germany.
Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”
#143When "4G" was initially commercialized, one could have claimed it has No "Material Difference Between 3G and 4G". HSPA(+) was just faster 3G, already reaching lower end of 4G bandwidth requirement, minimally qualifiable as 4G. But has 4G/LTE eventually turned out to be "one generation" better than 3G? Hell yeah. Same thing here for 4G-5G transition. The real deal is when milimeter wave got massively deployed and comm…
LTE is materially different from 3G, because the protocols are different AND the radios are different. For example, you can make an all-IP network with LTE. You can't do that with 3G. Ironically, though, most phone calls, even on LTE networks, are still 3G circuit-switched phone calls. Also, this article is correct that there is no similar difference in "5G." There is really no such thing, outside of carrier marketin…
Haha yeah I suspected that.
Wouldn't have been much of a thought out framework for "long-term evolution" if it was scrapped within 10 years!
Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
It depends on whether it is licensed or unlicensed spectrum. Some of the technology is in ISM bands that anyone can use. In either case, the channels still have capacity limits. I'm not saying it's impossible, which is partly why I brought it up in the first place. I was hoping someone more knowledgeable would chime in. The main advantage wires have is you can just run more of them when you reach your capacity (or in…
Are there any US carriers that are using unlicensed / shares spectrum? The bandwidth is only limited per tower, you can easily double the throughput of a given area by doubling the number of cell towers (and reducing power to avoid interference). It’s a lot cheaper to build a new tower than to run new wires to 200 homes (permits and all). On top of that 5g gives 10x bandwidth over 4g in the same band.
Meh.
You can have 1,000 wires in a bit of pipe, effectively 1,000 "spectrums." The air will always only be a single spectrum.
Cell division does not scale infinitely, and becomes more and more complex to manage.
Running cable you do once, then you can benefit for a long time. Wired will always be the better technical solution, and more economic one, in built up areas.
Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why should those of us who don't choose to live in the country have to subsidize the lifestyle choices of those that do choose to live in the country? And, before you go thinking I'm just the radical conservative, recognize that this cuts both ways. I'm also of the opinion that we shouldn't be subsidizing people's high-carbon lifestyles by making roads free, for example.
Well, you're subsidizing wars in some faraway lands, so why not Internet at home.
That's a facetious argument.
"Who cares if the govt wastes more money because they already waste money?"
Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”
#146It's excepted for South Korea, Japan and China take the lead in adoption and applications. US customers might not be not priority, because US consumers have have very low bandwidth caps, lets wait and see. I think many people underestimate the ambition of 5G and assume that 5G is just 4G with more bandwidth. Big advantage of 5G over 4G is that it can _also_ use unlicensed spectrum. This enables more use cases like en…
What advantages are there to using 5G on unlicensed spectrum vs WiFi.
Seems to be there is a whole lot more complexity doing 5G, would 802.1ax with OFDMA sub-channels not be a better way to use that spectrum?
Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”
#147I thought the point of "Long Term Evolution (LTE)" was not to have this "next generation" thing all over again!
It was and is.
5G is basically a marketing term for a global population used to cell networks changing "generation" every few years.
5G improves and augments the existing LTE standards, it doesn't throw them all out and start from scratch.
Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”
#148If I understand correctly, the cellular companies do some hairy, hairy manipulations of TCP in order to preserve data connections across cell towers. Do we need a better protocol for cell data and would this improve throughput and latency?
Not true.
Your TCP traffic is encapsulated in a GTP tunnel from the head end to the local tower / aggregation point. The network looks after moving / switching the endpoint of the tunnel as you move from cell to cell.
Basically all the hard stuff is done to make the tunnel endpoint roam from cell to cell. Your TCP stream, inside the tunnel, doesn't realise anything is happening and doesn't need to change in any way to keep working.
Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
Dang, that's good. I've only ever once seen anything over 100 and that was when LTE was brand new. Now I tend to average between 15-50. (This is in West Michigan)
Hi fellow Michigander! I used to have the same on ATT, but recently got T Mobile: https://photos.app.goo.gl/wngQxpA5nqL27ikI3 112 down, 14 up. Unlimited, for less than 3 GB cost at ATT. Honestly don't know why I still give Comcast $25/mo.
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Re: No “Material Difference Between 5G and LTE”
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm counting on TMO to kick Comcast's ass in my town Is Comcast really that bad? In my admittedly European experience all the service providers are (dis)functional and greedy pretty much to the same degree, none of them are good guys.
It can be. I've so far had only good experiences. My service is fast and reliable, and the other day when I called them up to activate a new modem, they cut my cost to $35/month as a customer appreciation move with barely any strings attached (only that I commit to staying with them a year ... I've been with them for 6 already and there is no viable competitor here). There are plenty of horror stories, however. I may…
Same. I’ve had nothing but fine experiences with them.