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Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446

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Re: Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446

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Right. Amazon, right along with other big players are not paying people well enough to make it. Increasing numbers of them don't, and that costs all of us while eroding demand needed for the economy to grow and perform for all of us. In a very real sense, failure to fund a better, more equitable, just standard of living means it won't exist at all. Flat out, it is unacceptable to make billions while a majority are on…

Demand is eroding? Any data to back up the wildly made up fact?

It's not made up at all, and data isn't hard to find.

There are two kinds of demand:

The kind I wrote to here is backed by available, liquid dollars. Amazon, and others, paying people effectively less than it costs them to exist and work, very sharply impacts this kind of demand. An easy example can be seen with entertainment. For most people, entertainment dollars are largely fixed. That fixed amount is very low, when few dollars are available, not dedicated to basic needs.

The other kind of demand is not backed by liquid dollars, and it's out there, growing, but not a meaningful part of any markets available to service it. That kind of demand is growing in the USA, with a clear majority of people now experiencing it.

There aren't any free lunches here. When we don't pay people enough to fund reasonable, modest lives, we are basically requiring everyone else to subsidize their labor, and that cost gets distributed nationwide.

If those people were businesses, they would have shut down by now. Since they are people, that would mean dying basically, and we prevent that with some safety net type spending and assistance.

Should those programs be a part of Amazon and others business model?

I feel they should not as that was never the intent. Those using them that way are doing all of us more harm than good too.

Re: Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446

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post #94

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> The number is meant to manipulate you into clicking the article based on the belief that Amazon is unfairly compensating its employees. How is it manipulative to report on median pay for a company? This is as straightforwardly reported as possible, and not at all click-baity or manipulative. We shouldn't be afraid of basic facts that actually capture important information in an objective way. It's not a misleading…

The number itself is not misleading or incorrect, it is just useless. If I wrote an article with the lede "Amazon pays market rates for labor" no one would be interested in reading it. The manipulation is leading you to believe that this information is important or of any use in judging their employment practices, which it is not.

It's not "leading us to believe" that it's important. It REFLECTS that most people disagree with you and already think it's quite important.

Re: Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446

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Apple’s average salary, according to data research firm Paysa, was $100,733. That includes lots of retails workers at Apple’s stores (though obviously not the low-paid workers at contractors like Taiwan-based FoxConn Technology Co., which do a lot of the assembly work on Apple's products). At Google, which has no retail workers, the average employee salary is $190,854. At Facebook the average is $203,894. We have just learned that the median salary of employees at Amazon.com Inc. is $28,446, excluding its chief executive officer and founder, Jeff Bezos. That says at all.

Re: Amazon worker’s median pay in 2017: $28,446

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I'm a high paid software engineer. I also had amazing computer teachers and remember writing BASIC programs to play MIDI in elementary. I also have the advantage of living in the city, being a white male, and being young and social. Being a software engineer requires a particular mindset, a lot of time and exposure, and people willing to support that. I was lucky enough to have all of the above, but most folks do not…

And what you are proposing for your friend, after all these years of struggle for a better tomorrow - is to make the same amount of money as he did as a welder? There are 2 sides to this. And the positive side of having something to work towards is usually not mentioned. I can give you an example from Europe, in a country which is homogeneous ethnically. We all went to the same public schools and we had the same oppo…

> And what you are proposing for your friend, after all these years of struggle for a better tomorrow - is to make the same amount of money as he did as a welder?

He doesn't have to breathe toxic fumes that screw up his health. That's kind of a big plus.

He can likely continue programming to a far older age. That might be a big plus.

I can continue.

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