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Re: Reddit's redesign could kill discussion subreddits

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Post by agumonkey »

mantas wrote: post #137
agumonkey wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually I wouldn't mind, I miss the spirit of these boards. phpbb was hell, but it seems a lot of php things are now based on clean modules (even though a quick googling sheds doubts on the status of phpbb over symfony modules)

Definitely didn't want to give impression that it's somehow worse. A well moderated board is lightyears ahead of a subreddit or, god forbid, FB group. Even half assed categorisation and search awesome. Today's forums could have proper full text search and pimped up moderation tools, possibly with some AI helpers on top.. Just thinking about it makes me drool.

I don't know if my interests shield me from bad subreddits but most of the one I glance at are fine, at worst they're just comatose but never toxic. I like reddit quite a bit, it has that weird organic value that overcome a lot of weirdness and subpar features.

Still old boards were .. much more home like than most of the web 2.0 ever dreamed of.

Re: Reddit's redesign could kill discussion subreddits

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Post by Karunamon »

nothis wrote: post #140
Karunamon wrote: post #109

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At the risk of snark I don't have a clear way around, your definition of "good engineering" appears to be the same one that thinks a modern toilet is no better than a hole in the ground. Nobody that pays for developer time in 2018 is going to optimize their site for people that go out of their way to willfully turn off part of the stack. It's not gonna happen. Effort for no reward. The protocol you describe, just a b…

Good engineering is robust and efficient. Requiring Javascript to display simple, static text is not good engineering.

Most websites are not just simple, static text.

Re: Reddit's redesign could kill discussion subreddits

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Post by dmix »

Purely from a user perspective I personally love the new Reddit design, I don't find it detracts much from the previous design at all. BUT I use a top-end Macbook Pro and I find the new design to be terribly slow and a performance hog, where it simply kills the UX.

Once you open up 10 tabs (how I typically browse Reddit, by shift clicking each thread I want to read) I can hear my CPU fans kicking in. I had to tune Firefox to use 6 cores instead of 4 to get any decent performance. I may just end up going back to the old design :/

I'm not sure what computers/browsers Reddit's UI/UX team has been testing on, or if they've ever tried to open multiple pages at once, but this is a pretty blatant issue.

Re: Reddit's redesign could kill discussion subreddits

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Post by joshuamorton »

reitanqild wrote: post #134
bluedevil2k wrote: post #111

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You're thinking as a developer and not as a business. A website that works perfectly well for 99% of visitors and adds the pizazz to keep them on the site is the goal.

Will it help the businesses if they learned that plain web sites are easier to create (and update), are better for the users and needs less maintenance?

But that's not true, because they also need the fancy ways of doing things as a reaction to demand.

So now they have more code, more to test, qa is more difficult, more surface area for bugs, etc.

Adding features isn't easier to maintain.

Re: Reddit's redesign could kill discussion subreddits

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Post by falcolas »

Karunamon wrote: post #142
nothis wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good engineering is robust and efficient. Requiring Javascript to display simple, static text is not good engineering.

Most websites are not just simple, static text.

I disagree, most of them are simple static sites. Gmail, Google Docs, etc. are the outliers, not the norm. Reddit is a static text site with images. Hacker News is a static text site. Blogs are static text sites (with a few embedded images or non-text objects.

Re: Reddit's redesign could kill discussion subreddits

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Post by kiliantics »

nothis wrote: post #106
superkuh wrote: post #70

I started using reddit in 2008. Although I doubt it was intentional reddit was a refuge from the "Best viewed with Javascript" modern web for many years. It worked just fine to browse and read with no JS enabled and was very snappy and low resource usage that way. Sure, you had to toggle JS back on to vote or post but that was easy enough. I left just before they pushed out the redesign due their increased censorship…

I'm with you on the JS stuff, the redesign screams "I want to be an app!" so desperately, I'm seriously considering leaving after a good 8 years on the site as well. Everything has that Javascript-delay on it, like it takes 0.5 seconds to click anything, scroll anything, etc. I gotta say though: >increased censorship That's ridiculous. They're "censoring" all kinds of bottom-of-the-barrel racist and disturbing shit w…

Personally, I think the censorship happens in a pretty biased way. There is still a lot of very problematic content in places like /r/The_Donald that just gets let slip because there are so many users and the mods are very influential. Other political subreddits like /r/socialism however, even if they have a lot of users, will get treated much more harshly by site admins if they are ever reported.

Similar things happen with discourse on facebook and twitter, where calls for ethnic cleansing by white people are often overlooked, while angry posts by people of colour that offend white people will get deleted or get users banned. It's really no wonder that US politics has gone the way it has when there is so much McCarthyism embedded in the moderation of these public forums.

Re: Reddit's redesign could kill discussion subreddits

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Post by _cereal »

krapp wrote: post #135
Karunamon wrote: post #110

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That people carry the toxic "make this post go away because I don't like it" mindset everywhere, even when they're explicitly asked not to? At this point, the only reason I still hold a (read only) Reddit account is so I can turn implicit censorship like thresholding and front page blocks off. HN, unlike reddit, still has value as a discussion medium, but I wish that "showdead" didn't make the posts unreadable.

>HN, unlike reddit, still has value as a discussion medium, but I wish that "showdead" didn't make the posts unreadable. Here you go: https://openuserjs.org/scripts/kennethrapp/Hacker_News_Text_...

I was doing something similar:

  var downvoted = document.querySelectorAll('.comment > span:not(.c00)');
  for(let i = 0, c = downvoted.length; i

Re: Reddit's redesign could kill discussion subreddits

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Post by Max_Mustermann »

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #16

I unfortunately saw this weeks ago. I did the checkbox accepting being in the Beta program. At first, I thought something was rewriting the whole content of my browser. And then, I realized, no, this is their "redesign". On mobile, the site is unusable - as in a overlay bar blocks all clicks or anything - for at least 30 seconds. Being on a laptop wasn't much better. There, it was 10 seconds of unusuability, per load…

What browser are you on? new.reddit.com works just fine on updated Firefox... biggest annoyance is the lack of sidebars on subreddits, apparently they need to be enabled by the mods.

Re: Reddit's redesign could kill discussion subreddits

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Post by Redoubts »

All I wanted to see is what the comments section now looks like. It's literally the only thing I'm there for, and preview photos never show it. (My biggest complaint with many HN app previews too)

Of course, when I try the preview myself, I'm greeted with this:

https://imgur.com/a/PvRhk

Re: Reddit's redesign could kill discussion subreddits

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Post by launchpad24 »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #66
josefresco wrote: post #18

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I dropped the mobile app because it was occupying over 200MB of space, and my inadequately equipped iPhone ran out of space. I switched to the mobile site, but now avoid that as well due to the constant, in-your-face app promotion. Every website with a mobile app these days: "I get it, you have an app, I don't want the app, stop telling me to download it." Edit: Thanks for the helpful replies - however staying comple…

If you're on iOS, use Apollo instead: https://apolloapp.io/ Hands down the best Reddit app for iOS.

I actually vastly prefer Readder over Apollo. Check it out: http://readder.co/
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