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I understand the inclination to do this - I think it's natural to want to live in a meritocracy. But I just can't image this not backfiring. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

> I think it's natural to want to live in a meritocracy It’s fallacious to think that meritocracy is a function of ONLY the present.

Nothing is a function of only the present. Your point has no meaning.

Re: China’s experiment in ranking and monitoring citizens has started

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This feels like a modern day version of the PRC system where each residential block had a concierge (spy) who would spy on and denounce residents, and a group discussion session about behavior. Sorry, it’s been so many years that I can’t remember what this was called

Neighborhood Watch?

I don’t remember the English term for it nor could I speak Chinese at the time. I read about it in the 80s. I believe it was supposed to be a regular and mandatory communal activity and persisted after the rest of the cultural revolution petered out. Drat, failing memory

Re: China’s experiment in ranking and monitoring citizens has started

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> I think it's natural to want to live in a meritocracy. That's a bold statement. Who defines the goals ? The one(s) who can attain them ?

Like school! And college! The folks that work there, are the ones that did well there. Not kidding. Its this circular 'meritocracy' argument that makes for insular, inbred organizations with few creative ideas.

You would prefer college admissions be based on a blind lottery system? That seems like a great way to destroy an education system. Would degrees then be allocated randomly to people who may or may not have studied? Maybe you’re being sarcastic.

Re: China’s experiment in ranking and monitoring citizens has started

#145
post #6

I understand the inclination to do this - I think it's natural to want to live in a meritocracy. But I just can't image this not backfiring. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

> paved with good intentions. lol you're giving xi jingping the dictator too much credit. it's a means to monitor and silence his critics, and to prevent protests/uprisings. this is just cultural revolution 2.0. from hitler 2.0.

The Hitler comparison is too much, even for an anti-China troll.

Re: China’s experiment in ranking and monitoring citizens has started

#146
This is a good reason to demand the American government repeal civil rights laws and anti-racism laws.

The American people have every right to deny Chinese people access to American services, American businesses, American networks, American contacts, American financial services, and so on.

The Chinese are children who cannot be counted upon to operate a society, they are stupid idiots whose arrogance should not be tolerated.

This will bring China and the USA closer to war over ideology, values, freedom, sex.

The Chinese government should be punished for this arrogance.

The Chinese government should not be allowed to conduct scientific experiments while it engages in this mass dehumanization experiment.

The Chinese must choose between dignity and science on the one hand and communism and dehumanization on the other.

The Americans should not tolerate such stupid fools.

As an American, I have the right to spit on and yell at chinese.

I can exercise that right to demoralize and dehumanize pests.

I can push chinese into the street where cars will run them over.

Re: China’s experiment in ranking and monitoring citizens has started

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> The amount of "bullying and abuse" by the US is grossly overstated. How so? I don't think so. AFAICS - and I lived in the US for a decade and would do so again, I have no beef with the country, just saying what I think I see/know - the US has always been an expansionist and later empire-seeking country at least for significant (i.e. with enough influence) parts of the powerful. It's hard to prove or disprove your 2…

> the US has always been an expansionist and later empire-seeking country at least for significant (i.e. with enough influence) parts of the powerful. That’s not true at all, at least not in historical context. The US is the most powerful country in the world never to build an actual empire. It’s conquests are limited to part of Mexico, and some pacific islands. It’s predecessor, Great Britain, colonized India, Afric…

Yes, the US does seem to be keen on transferring tax dollars to private entities.

Re: China’s experiment in ranking and monitoring citizens has started

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> paved with good intentions. lol you're giving xi jingping the dictator too much credit. it's a means to monitor and silence his critics, and to prevent protests/uprisings. this is just cultural revolution 2.0. from hitler 2.0.

The Hitler comparison is too much, even for an anti-China troll.

Hi Hitler troll

Young Chinese activist missing after sharing plan to wear ‘Xitler’ t-shirt in public

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2016/11/03/young-chinese-activist...

Re: China’s experiment in ranking and monitoring citizens has started

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Don't have anything against USA, but a world with a single superpower is prone to bullying and abuse by the said superpower. Many of us just want a peaceful world, and if that needs to be multipolar, so be it

Your analysis entirely leaves out the most important factor which is: who are the “poles”? China is an authoritarian, control-freak one-party-superstate that jails and kills political opposition. Will the world be more “peaceful” if there’s a multipolar collection of those?

China is less imperialistic and appears to mess less with other country affairs. China never gave support for a dictatorship in my country. USA also jailed and persecuted the Black Panthers and had the macarthism. Their 2 political parties which are able to win elections sometimes appears to be very similar, at least about their foreign policy which impacts the world.
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