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Re: The End of Windows

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Post by maelito »

djsumdog wrote: post #81
ynniv wrote: post #48

This seems like a ridiculous strategy. Who would abandon an ecosystem that they own over 80% of? If they're spending too much money on it, stop adding features and harden what they already have. It's increasingly clear that macOS isn't business-level stable, and Linux isn't polished... No one has an Android device on their desk at work. Maybe if they stopped trying to take over the world they would realize that they…

I agree. I wish Microsoft would focus on Windows 11 and not think of Win10 as the last Windows, thereby flooding it with adware non-sense. There are still a lot of tech heads and gamers that depend on Windows and will continue to buy into the platform. I even know hard core Linux devs who've switched back to Win10 and just work off of the new Linux Subsystem and an X11 server. With Android being a clusterfuck of vend…

Project Treble should help for your last point.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by ynniv »

SonicSoul wrote: post #127
ynniv wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Established businesses aren't going to put their data in someone else's datacenter. Small to medium businesses perhaps, but all it takes is one downturn that tightens the purse strings, or one critical event that reveals their absolute dependence on a third party. SAAS solutions are fair weather, and while we've had a lot of good weather I don't expect them to be used for critical business functions in the long term.

they can still take advantage of existing cloud technologies running on their own servers. And guess what, the CTO and CFO and COO will very much care about licensing cost of each CPU running windows or sql server, vs FREE on Linux.

You're thinking about your own app servers. No one cares about the cost of Windows when you're running someone else's proprietary desktop software on it.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by jacquesm »

pjmlp wrote: post #138
jacquesm wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the famous Torvalds - Tanenbaum discussion Torvalds got it terribly wrong, but Linux was good enough to get off the ground anyway so in the longer term might made right. But a microkernel based Linux would have been a serious game changer rather than a re-run. After all we already had plenty of free Unixes back then, and the descendants of those are all still more or less alive today. The major sticking point in t…

Tanenbaum was certainly right, given the adoption of micro-kernel like architectures across the industry, specially on embedded. Even containers are a kind of workaround for achieving the same goals.

I still have a clone of 32 bit QnX sitting on my harddrive, maybe one day I'll have enough time and energy to attempt to port it to x64 and/or Arm 64.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by ams6110 »

SonicSoul wrote: post #127
ynniv wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Established businesses aren't going to put their data in someone else's datacenter. Small to medium businesses perhaps, but all it takes is one downturn that tightens the purse strings, or one critical event that reveals their absolute dependence on a third party. SAAS solutions are fair weather, and while we've had a lot of good weather I don't expect them to be used for critical business functions in the long term.

they can still take advantage of existing cloud technologies running on their own servers. And guess what, the CTO and CFO and COO will very much care about licensing cost of each CPU running windows or sql server, vs FREE on Linux.

> the CTO and CFO and COO will very much care about licensing cost of each CPU running windows or sql server, vs FREE on Linux

They haven't really up until now have they? MS licenses are not a big part of the IT budget compared to the people needed to run an in-house data center (typically staffed 24x7)

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by pjmlp »

SonicSoul wrote: post #72
pjmlp wrote: post #27

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Currently Android seems to have lost the tablet war on consumer electronic shops. People are either going for iPads, or hybrid laptops runnig W10. Android devs are to blame, given the little effort to adapt phone apps to tablets.

citation needed http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide

So what, if I find a source that contradicts your's would you just put yet another link?

I know what I see when I go into a store, travel across Europe and look around for what the other passengers are using.

If you feel vindicated by posting some random link asserting you are right, so be it.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by nickspag »

ckaygusu wrote: post #87
ynniv wrote: post #48

This seems like a ridiculous strategy. Who would abandon an ecosystem that they own over 80% of? If they're spending too much money on it, stop adding features and harden what they already have. It's increasingly clear that macOS isn't business-level stable, and Linux isn't polished... No one has an Android device on their desk at work. Maybe if they stopped trying to take over the world they would realize that they…

> macOS isn't business-level stable. Can you elaborate this assertion? As far as stability goes, macs are top notch. I'd say in the business context Windows machines are prevalent because of successful MS strategies (in terms of marketing, not ethics) in 1995-2005 era, and it kind of stuck around.

It's possible they mean stability in terms of length of support. macOS as an operating system is more "user-stable" if you will, than Windows- i.e. less crashing. But Windows is that way because of the massive legacy interoperability in that codebase. Windows didn't just work because of marketing, it worked because when Microsoft supports something they do it for Enterprise-lengths of time- and with the proper Enterprise tooling ecosystem that Windows has. Ironic that what, probably (some of this is assumption), makes it attractive to Enterprises also probably makes it difficult for them to deliver a OS as solid, to the user, and excluding High Sierra, as macOS.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by FractalLP »

jacquesm wrote: post #105
pjc50 wrote: post #90

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One of the more amazing bits of technology in Windows is that which allows the graphics drivers to crash and restart without taking down the system. They've spent so long fighting buggy third parties that this is the solution.

QnX did that in ... 1983.

I'm not sure comparing an RTOS to a really old school monolithic kernal is fair. Windows wasn't designed to be like QnX. I really wish QnX was open source though and had a thriving community behind it.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by rootlocus »

TheForumTroll wrote: post #128
alkonaut wrote: post #109

You can have my windows when I can game properly somewhere else (and no, no you can’t).

Xbox and PlayStation. The "problem" is that you want to game on your PC, not that there isn't another viable option.

There's also game development, with both art and engineering departments running windows.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by ekianjo »

mmjaa wrote: post #107
ekianjo wrote: post #58

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Opposite. I use Linux in VM because I can't be bothered to do everything in Windows (when I have to be on Windows).

Reverse here: I only boot my Windows VM when I really need to build something with Windows. Other than that, its Linux all the way. I find it an utterly pleasant experience compared with either Windows or MacOS, which is interesting..

Oh, I use Linux all the way usually, except when I am stuck on a Windows workstation - hence the VM solution.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by krylon »

arcbyte wrote: post #19
bigmanwalter wrote: post #14

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Linux on desktop is pretty amazing. Haven't looked back in 3 years.

Is there a laptop you would recommend?

FWIW, I run openSuse Tumbleweed on an Asus Zenbook; all in all, it has worked very well. I have the low-end model with a Core m3 CPU, so it's not blazingly fast, but it plays 1080p videos smoothly.

The only problem I had I might blame Linux for was that it randomly dropped the connection to my Bluetooth headset, and it took a reboot to connect the headset again.

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