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A Glimpse into the Bureaucratic Hell of Denying Health Insurance Claims

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For 3 people, the federal poverty level is $20,160. $18k is less than that, and in California, you would have been on Medical. Even if you are on Obamacare, not Medical (in California: 138% of fpl and up), under 200% fpl the silver plans are close to free. see eg https://www.healthforcalifornia.com/covered-california/incom...

I don't really understand your point. I will note that since I could not afford housing for most of the year and struggled to get enough to eat, close to free is not cheap enough.

My point is, to be blunt, I think you chose not to get either the medicare or Obamacare and/or are being dishonest to make a political point.

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If enough people didn't have access to insurance, then there would be pressure on hospitals to find ways to reduce prices (so that their volume could go up). As it stands the medical industry is allowed to hold the poor for ransom ("accept our increased costs or they won't get treated") against the US's deep but finite pockets. Before, we had the (very poor) demand elasticity of people paying everything they had and…

>pressure on hospitals to reduce prices Elsewhere it has been said: choosing between bankruptcy for your family or cancer care for your child isn't an actual choice, it's two loaded guns pointed at your skull. One held by the hospital, the other by the insurance company. The reason first world countries choose universal healthcare is that healthcare is a human right. Full stop. It is not an economic issue. If you wan…

I also feel the moral imperative that you're describing. Nobody should have to tell their child that they're too expensive - to be honest, I can't imagine anything worse.

We were literally using lives as an economic mechanism, but now that we're not doing that we need to use something else in their place. The price of healthcare will continue to skyrocket unless we find something a little less horrifying than other people's lives to use as a balancing weight; although I won't claim to know whether it would be more possible to design a working market system or socialize it successfully.

Priority 1, stop making Soylent Green out of people. Priority 2, re-establish the food supply in a better way, because we need to eat.

Re: A Glimpse into the Bureaucratic Hell of Denying Health Insurance Claims

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My own personal "why I hate the ACA"... In 2016, I decided to take off from work and travel outside the US. I did what I thought was the responsible thing and purchased a travel insurance plan. In total, I was gone for a year...I had an amazing trip. When I got home, I wanted to sign up for insurance again. But since it wasn't a life event, I wasn't eligible to enroll until the open enrollment period. And when that t…

If your income was zero, couldn't you have gone on Medicaid?

Once open enrollment rolled around, yes. But the point was I didn't want Medicaid, I wanted a plan that let me keep my previous doctor. And I was willing and able to pay (savings), but the ACA didn't allow me to take the subsidy in lieu of Medicare. And also, there was the matter of the nearly 4 months between when I returned to the US and when I was allowed to enroll during open enrollment. For a law that's designed to help people get healthcare, mandating that someone wait to get healthcare seems like an odd choice.

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> That is the whole point of socialized medicine. The point of insurance is that you pay slightly more than the expected value of your claims. So if you know you need $5000 worth of medical treatment for asthma, your insurance premium should be definitely more than $5000. How does that make sense? If I knew I needed $5000 worth of medical treatment for asthma, and I pay an appropriate premium based on that, but then…

You’d pay the 99% chance of asthma * $5,000 + 1% chance of cancer * $50,000 (or whatever the probability you get cancer * the estimate of cancer treatment costs). If you do get cancer, the other 99% of folks who didn’t get it are covering your costs.

The probability of getting cancer over a lifetime is more like 40%. https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/understanding/statistics Some people with cancer die quickly, but most live with it for years of expensive treatments.

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I'm old and deal with the health "care" system more than anyone else here. What I've learned: 1) You are responsible for your own health. Eat less, eat better, and exercise more. Get enough sleep. Don't over worry. Don't drink too much. Don't touch recreational drugs. Your own health must be your number one priority. Teach your children this, too. 2) ACA, for whatever problems it caused, will save many of us from bankruptcy. "Us" being everyone who is or wants to be a founder. 3) The biggest problem with health cost is lack of transparency. If I could shop around, even a little, I could save tens of thousands of dollars a year. But it's hard to negotiate for price when nobody knows what anything really costs, or what you actually get for that cost; even the people selling it. 5) Every day you are in good health is a good day. Thank God, nature, or other deity(s) of your choice for your lack of health problems.

Re: A Glimpse into the Bureaucratic Hell of Denying Health Insurance Claims

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ACA is horrendous, unless you're receiving a government subsidy. I'm self-employed and we have one option of insurance provider, and the cheapest plan for my family last year was $18,000 a year with a huge deductible. That's after tax, out of pocket, for a healthy family with no pre-existing. Like all self-employed people I know (who aren't getting government subsidy), I moved my family to Christian Medishare, which…

The rate of increase for health insurance prices went down after the ACA was enacted. The motivation for enacting the ACA was, in large part, the untenable increase in insurance prices in the 10 years leading up to it. People have a bad habit of blaming the ACA for insurance prices. The ACA failed at its goal of making individual health insurance affordable, that is true. But it didn't cause that problem, and it did…

Businesses were screaming about double-digit percentage, year over year premium increases for their employees.

As I see it, the ACA was a very middle-of-the-road policy initiative. Building upon a Republican governor's program, namely Romney's in Massachusetts. It was meant to appeal to and help business as much as uninsured individuals. It was conservative in that it didn't throw out the existing system of insurance; rather, it brought new customers to the existing insurers. Insurers became enthusiastic about increased marketshare.

Law consists of two parts: 1) The law itself, and 2) Paying for it.

Republicans made very clear statements about their primary, number one goal (really, the primary goal of their party and their Federal legislative presence) being making Obama's presidency a one term presidency.

The ACA was passed, in spite of their opposition. But they used their subsequent control in Congress to not pay for an essential component. The law provided two years of compensation to insurance companies for excessive expenses resulting from ACA Marketplace plans. The idea was to provide a buffer -- government security -- while insurers caught up on the population's deferred medical expenses and built an actuarial understanding of the population.

When the insurers sought that compensation, I've been told by a professional working in the industry, they received about 15 cents on the dollar.

Premiums shot up. Companies dropped out. Republicans cited the "failure" that they helped create in the first place.

This isn't the only aspect of the situation, but it's a very significant one.

The ACA wasn't perfect. Work could have been done to improve it. Instead, a lot of political effort went into killing it.

Oh, and as tptacek mentioned, it did bring many costs under more control. Something that benefited group plans such as those provide by employers.

You don't hear so much about that, eh? Or the enormous profits that insurers are reaping, in spite of complaints about the ACA Marketplace plans.

P.S. As I've mentioned before, I'm someone who was denied coverage, at all, outright, prior to the ACA coming into full effect. I had a minor condition that a very well respected surgeon would not operate on, while I was still on a corporate group plan. Risk/benefit favored simply monitoring.

That didn't matter. No insurance for me!

(Fortunately, a professional and personal contact in the industry pulled some strings. Something NOT available to most people.)

P.P.S. I should add that some people think that some insurers may have underpriced their ACA plans a bit, initially, eager to maximize their portion of the increase in market size and relying on the temporary government security for protection. I don't know whether this is true. Even if it is, no law/program is perfect, and the two year timeframe placed an inherent limit on this behavior.

When the repayments came up so short (15 cents on the dollar), this might have magnified the corresponding premium increases somewhat.

But all this was accounted for by the ACA law, including limiting its effect. It just wasn't, subsequently, paid for by the Federal budget process.

And if it is true, it reveals insurer's enthusiasm about the ACA. They wanted the increased marketshare.

Instead of working with this momentum, it was thrown under the bus for political reasons. As I see it.

Re: A Glimpse into the Bureaucratic Hell of Denying Health Insurance Claims

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My own personal "why I hate the ACA"... In 2016, I decided to take off from work and travel outside the US. I did what I thought was the responsible thing and purchased a travel insurance plan. In total, I was gone for a year...I had an amazing trip. When I got home, I wanted to sign up for insurance again. But since it wasn't a life event, I wasn't eligible to enroll until the open enrollment period. And when that t…

So there's a lower bound on how much you can make and still get the subsidized plan? that seems broken in a very American sort of way. I think a lot of the bureaucratic issues might be the nature of insurance companies? My (pre-aca) experience was that any lapse in coverage and they don't let you back on. All this 'life event' stuff, I think, was part of how group plans worked back in the day, the rules about when yo…

There is a lower bound on income to qualify for ACA subsidies because the ACA also expanded medicaid to cover people below that threshold.

Unfortunately, the portion of the ACA requiring states to expand medicaid was ruled unconstitutional. As a result, 19 states have choosen not to expand medicaid, leaving a portion of the population to poor to qualify for ACA subsidies, but too rich to qualify for medicaid.

I should also point out, that the medicade expansion is 90% funded by the federal government starting from 2020 into perpetuity. Prior to then is a ramp up period where the federal government pays an even larger share.

Re: A Glimpse into the Bureaucratic Hell of Denying Health Insurance Claims

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If enough people didn't have access to insurance, then there would be pressure on hospitals to find ways to reduce prices (so that their volume could go up). As it stands the medical industry is allowed to hold the poor for ransom ("accept our increased costs or they won't get treated") against the US's deep but finite pockets. Before, we had the (very poor) demand elasticity of people paying everything they had and…

>pressure on hospitals to reduce prices Elsewhere it has been said: choosing between bankruptcy for your family or cancer care for your child isn't an actual choice, it's two loaded guns pointed at your skull. One held by the hospital, the other by the insurance company. The reason first world countries choose universal healthcare is that healthcare is a human right. Full stop. It is not an economic issue. If you wan…

I'm not sure its fair to argue that universal healthcare is a human right despite the fact it makes economic sense.

Humanity survived just fine without real healthcare and healthcare is not essential to a fair balance of power b/t the government and its citizenry.

Universal healthcare needs to be argued on the economics of the issue because that is the only practical way to make it sustainable. The "feel good" stuff about it being a human right will fail when stress is applied to America and stress is coming. The US, frankly, has peaked and it is all downhill from here.

Re: A Glimpse into the Bureaucratic Hell of Denying Health Insurance Claims

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I'm sorry you feel that way, but that's simply not what happened. I cofounded a company that provided insurance to ~40 full-time employees (and provided insurance before the ACA was passed ), and the costs you're seeing today are in line with where costs were outside the ACA and prior to the ACA. No matter what you think about prices, though, the most important thing the ACA did was create a nationwide requirement fo…

It isn't what I think about prices, it is the facts, ACA exchanges up 34% YoY. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/25/most-popular-obamacare-plans...

> The price increases are fueled by market uncertainty and the elimination of key federal payments to insurers.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/17/decision-to-kill-obamacare-p...

That price increase was engineered by the GOP by cutting the payments from the budget followed by the Trump Administration's "finding" that they had no authority to spend the money.

I genuinely hope your posts are just virtue signaling created by a desire to appear as one of the faithful.

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Your EV from holding a car insurance plan is slightly lower than if you’d put that money in bonds. The benefit is that you can spread your risk across multiple parties. It’s entirely different from medical insurance, where your EV depends strongly on individual circumstances (and can be very negative). Medical insurance providers aren’t allowed to give accurate pricing, so you basically end up with a really complicat…

" Medical insurance providers aren’t allowed to give accurate pricing, " Why are they not allowed to do so? I think it's more likely that they don't want to so they can make up prices as they wish. "Your EV from holding a car insurance plan is slightly lower than if you’d put that money in bonds. The benefit is that you can spread your risk across multiple parties. It’s entirely different from medical insurance, wher…

But with auto insurance, if you're a bad driver, or even a driver with perceived higher risk (teen, unmarried, driving a little red sports car) your rates will be quite a bit higher. If you're a low risk driver, your rates are low. With ACA, if you are low risk (young and healthy) you are paying more than you would have otherwise.
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