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Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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I got nearly the same notification, except mine defaulted to off, it said "This setting is off, but you can turn it on any time". My guess is that they based the setting on another setting. For example there was some photo tagging thing added years ago, and I disabled that. Most of my timeline and tagging settings are set to Custom or require review.

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Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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I'm imaging a Probability Zero or Black Mirror short where Facebook insists some scammer is using your face and attempts to shut them down. They are unable to log into services because they used Facebook login for convenience. In the end, it turns out the imposter randomly had an identical face and was perhaps a long list twin.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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I think this is notification is sort of the opposite of what people think it is.

Facebook has had facial recognition and tag suggestions based on facial recognition for a long time. For example this [1] article from June 2017 explains how to turn it off.

This new notification is about a global on/off switch that disable all facial recognition, because Facebook is going to start doing more than tag suggestions with facial recognition [2][3]. For example they are trying to detect when people are impersonating you online.

The global face recognition setting defaulted to off for me, probably because I had tag suggestions disabled already.

[1] https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-disable-facebooks-facial-rec...

[2] https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2017/12/managing-your-identity-...

[3] http://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/facebook-face-re...

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Out of curiosity, aside from emotional distress, what harm are you afraid of?

Why should I have to be afraid of anything? Is this a riff on the 'if you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to fear' theme? I just don't think it is ok that large companies are working their way into datasets about every living body on the planet and that is my right. See also, article 12: "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upo…

This is not arbitrary. There is a clear upside: the ability to quickly find all pictures of a person, either by that person themselves or by other people. The benefit provided by this feature has to be weighed against its potential for harm in order to decide whether it is a permissible use of technology or not.

To be honest, facebook should have gathered consent in a GDPR-compliant way: opt-in. But IMHO the feature isn't bad in and of itself. Even recognizing people not on facebook isn't necessarily wrong, as long as facebook isn't building a profile of that person (but merely doing the equivalent of recognizing bananas in all of someone's pictures so they can do a search for banana.)

But given the value provided by the feature, again I ask: what is the harm you're afraid of?

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Why should I have to be afraid of anything? Is this a riff on the 'if you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to fear' theme? I just don't think it is ok that large companies are working their way into datasets about every living body on the planet and that is my right. See also, article 12: "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upo…

This is not arbitrary. There is a clear upside: the ability to quickly find all pictures of a person, either by that person themselves or by other people. The benefit provided by this feature has to be weighed against its potential for harm in order to decide whether it is a permissible use of technology or not. To be honest, facebook should have gathered consent in a GDPR-compliant way: opt-in. But IMHO the feature…

> There is a clear upside: the ability to quickly find all pictures of a person, either by that person themselves or by other people.

That's not a benefit to me.

> But given the value provided by the feature, again I ask: what is the harm you're afraid of?

You're stuck. It's kind of annoying when you ask someone a question, they give you an answer and then you repeat the question again. Either you're going to have to live with my answer or you're going to have to live with not getting the answer that you want.

BTW, I find it hilarious to be lectured by you on HN where your profile is as good as anonymous and mine is stating exactly who I am and where I live.

What are you afraid of?

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Why should I have to be afraid of anything? Is this a riff on the 'if you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to fear' theme? I just don't think it is ok that large companies are working their way into datasets about every living body on the planet and that is my right. See also, article 12: "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upo…

I can't speak for the guy you're replying to, but I'm also curious what harm you're afraid of, mostly so that I can also be afraid of it. Definitely not the "nothing to hide" stuff as I'm very pro-privacy. I have a vague fear of some kind of dystopian situation that arises or is influenced by these huge, accurate data sets. I'm curious if you have more specific qualms with it. My vague fear hasn't kept photos of me o…

Facebook's literal book of faces will be used by law enforcement to establish/verify alibi, establish/verify presence at the scene of a crime, etc.

These tools, no doubt, are being built out with heavy support from the State.

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On a related note, FB seems to use the microphone, with permissions disabled, when the app isn’t even open, to listen in on our conversations and later advertise things it hears us talking about. I don’t have 100% proof of this but we’ve mentioned things we never googled or even put in our phones or computers and they are pretty specific (purple dress, tactile diaper bags, beer) and they come up the next day or two i…

What if, instead, you were talking about those items because Facebook's algorithm manipulated you into thinking about them?

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If you want to fight it, tag them as wrong persons to mess up their training dataset. I am sure they would love that! :) Maybe even start a Facebook group "False positives" where people would do this for fun and to "stick it to the man" lol

It doesn't work that way. They can see that you tag wrong too many people, and you're obviously an outlier, so your data is rejected. The only way you can "win" is by deleting facebook and pushing for better data protection laws.

You won't do it alone, but if most of your friends start doing that, either you mess up their training dataset by introducing a lot of noise, or you all will get flagged as outliers. Both situations are win comparing to learned helplessness one might fall into when realizing the ways how this data can be misused.

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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If you want to fight it: don't use Facebook ! No matter how much an individual thinks they're resisting or messing with the system, they're not. The only way to win is to not participate.

I don't use Facebook myself for a few years already, which is paradoxical as they were headhunting me recently to lead one of their ML teams and didn't mind that I quit them long time ago :D But maybe they were just harvesting my own "outlier" training dataset - who knows if I was filmed while onsite and now my gait is analyzed to smallest details including reconstructed skeleton and muscle attachments, my appearance…

I don't understand this. Why would you want to interview with a company whose core product you do not support?

Re: Facebook turned on face recognition silently

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Which is why I do not want anybody to make any pictures of me, especially not if they are active on social media. There are exactly two pictures of me online, the one is 30 years old, the other about 10. The quickest way to get me pissed off is to point a camera at me.

Out of curiosity, aside from emotional distress, what harm are you afraid of?

I'm a woman, so different situation, but I took most photos of me offline at some point. Later, I began putting up new ones, but it was handled differently. There are more than two photos of me, but there aren't tons. I actually like being photographed, or did in my youth. But I don't like having photos of me all over the internet.

Years ago, I joined an all female Yahoo group that was a spin off from a parenting and homeschooling list I had been active on. I put up a photo of me on my yahoo profile that was in no way intended to be sexy. My long standing friends in this small group of 20 members wanted to know what I looked like and it was for them.

Within 24 hours, I was being solicited by some 19 year old total stranger who lived within an hour of my home who wanted to know if I would sleep with him. My oldest child was 16.

I laughed and my reply clearly signalled that I was laughing in his face and he did not write back. But it did not stop there. Other men would write me and go into graphic detail as to how they would like to spend the next 3 day weekend in bed with me. The only thing they knew about me was what I looked like. That was it.

At some point, I pulled all photos of me off the internet that I had any control over. The only remaining photos were taken by internet friends at a meet-up and were quite unflattering. I later found that a relative who was cyberstalking me while not speaking to me had those photos bookmarked. This was a creepy experience.

There are photos of me out there. Some are not hideous. But I make zero effort to look conventionally attractive. One photo of me online is of me with a shaved head. I am prone to posting photos that are intended to tell people stalking me "Hey, stupid. I am old and ugly and you can stop fantasizing about me."

It hasn't stopped men from hitting on me. But it has been a few years since a total stranger who knew nothing about me other than what I look like has written me to let me know what a pig he is in glorious detail.

I intentionally kept a fairly low profile online for some time. Nonetheless, my super low levels of internet fame still fostered all kinds of weird interest from people who are not healthy and absolutely did not have my best interest at heart. If I had more fame, I would probably be super paranoid controlling. People do all kinds of bizarre things and photos are an excellent way to fuel the weirdness. It makes people feel like they know you, have a personal connection yadda.

I have worked really hard at figuring out how to open my mouth in public and feel reasonably safe doing so. Being penurious with the pics has been an important part of that process. People are quick to objectify people based on a photo. You stop being a real person in their mind and become a symbol of something. It may be a symbol they lust after. It may be a symbol they hate. It may be any number of things. But they will forget you are a real person. They seem to be much less quick to do that based on written comments.

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