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Re: What happens when I choose to “Suppress Ads” on Salon?

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Post by baddox »

s73v3r_ wrote: post #41
ves wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s just proof that you didn’t forge a scarce commodity. The value isn’t related to the wasted electricity, but the hard problem the electricity was used to solve. Love it or hate it, it makes sense.

But does that hard problem actually do anything? If it was something like Folding@Home, I could see the value. It seems to me, the only “value” in this hard problem is to waste electricity.

What it does is prevent someone from fraudulently altering transactions, because to do so would require an enormous amount of energy.

Re: What happens when I choose to “Suppress Ads” on Salon?

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Post by ergothus »

jnordwick wrote: post #21
dkarl wrote: post #5

This is everything I wanted from micropayments. Please, take my money rather than forcibly taking my attention and shoving garbage through my brain. Too bad it has to waste electricity, but at least it's not abusing my poor, finite, distractible, distortable brain. It's not precious to anyone else, but it's precious to me.

I'd rather pay 10 cents than waste 20 cents in electricity. There just isn't good way to really do that easily and transparently.

Sure, but we've been waiting for micropayments for 20+ years. No exaggeration. The infrastructure isnt there. Cryptocurrencies have some infrastructure already. I'll pay the electricity tax if I can reward good content and not have ads.

If this catches on it might spur alternate and less wasteful solutions, but until then I've been all for this.

Re: What happens when I choose to “Suppress Ads” on Salon?

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Post by baddox »

nikanj wrote: post #86
wskinner wrote: post #46

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It’s called proof of work: https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

The giant pile of dirt on my back yard is proof that I did hours of hard work with a tea spoon. Much less efficient than a shovel would have been, as a metaphor for hash algorithms designed to be difficult. Why is that proof of work of any value, to anyone? Hard work, just for the sake of hard work, is a great ideal to the the previous generations - but we traditionally have based our economy on how much your work be…

Do you genuinely not understand the idea of proof of work, or are you just attempting to conceal your actual point, which is that you don’t think the transactions in the Bitcoin network are very valuable?

You’re making it sound like you genuinely don’t understand proof of work. Proof of work is the reason that it is effectively impossible to fraudulently alter Bitcoin transactions. Again, it’s fine if you don’t care about that because you don’t see any value in those transactions, but surely you recognize the huge importance of preventing the modification of previous transactions in any sort of payment system.

Re: What happens when I choose to “Suppress Ads” on Salon?

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #139
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #121

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It's wasting CPU/GPU cycles and battery power, vastly more than would be used for a simple micropayment with actual currency. I refuse to participate in the degradation of my devices' performance as "payment".

More than the current system of loading thousands of ad networks?

Same same.

I block ads with great prejudice and I'll block miners with equal prejudice.

Both are a waste of my bandwidth, my battery power and my attention.

Re: What happens when I choose to “Suppress Ads” on Salon?

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Post by Viper007Bond »

Kiro wrote: post #106
mrtksn wrote: post #7

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Why do I keep seeing this everywhere on the internet? There's no technical reason not to mine bitcoin on CPU.

From the Coinhive website: > Monero is different. To mine Monero, you have to calculate hashes with an algorithm called Cryptonight. This algorithm is very compute heavy and – while overall pretty slow – was designed to run well on consumer CPUs. > There are solutions to run the Cryptonight algorithm on a GPU instead, but the benefit is about 2x, not 10000x like for other algorithms used by Bitcoin or Ethereum. This…

Yep, my CPU (i7-4790K @ 4.7 GHz) smokes my dual GTX 780s in hash rate for Monereo.

Re: What happens when I choose to “Suppress Ads” on Salon?

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Post by Fej »

castle-bravo wrote: post #126
perl4ever wrote: post #96

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I'm not sure if that would slow the page down and make it unusable though. Prioritizing non-mining activity seems like it might be trickier than simply capping processor usage. Although it's not quite the same thing, it makes me think of how bandwidth heavy pages are now. Once upon a time, I browsed the web on 56K, or even 14.4K. Now, when my phone gets throttled to 128K many sites are unbearable.

My phone is currently throttled to 8kB/s. The only thing I can read is Hackernews; this is a well-built site.

CNN Lite comes to mind.

https://lite.cnn.io/en

Re: What happens when I choose to “Suppress Ads” on Salon?

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Post by kazinator »

Soon, there will be CPU blockers to counter this; site sees you have an ad blocker so it uses your CPU; browser's counter-measure notices CPU being used for crypto-currency mining or whatever else, and throttles those threads down to a trickle.

"We have noticed that processing in your browser is suspiciously slow; are you using a CPU blocker? ..."

Re: What happens when I choose to “Suppress Ads” on Salon?

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Post by iAMAGuest »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #122
Kiro wrote: post #105

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> I decide what runs Exactly. No-one is forcing you. You are confusing this with sites starting the miner without consent.

When sites are specifically proxying their miners, to act as if they're running in a first-party context, that is deceptive, and done specifically to get around adblockers and mining blockers. Make it 100% opt-in and tell people in no uncertain terms up front what they're signing up for, then maybe .

> Make it 100% opt-in

It seems to be 100% opt-in in the terms of either you select ads or mining, I am certain you probably mean you want to opt out of ads and mining.

Re: What happens when I choose to “Suppress Ads” on Salon?

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Post by kristianp »

castle-bravo wrote: post #126
perl4ever wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if that would slow the page down and make it unusable though. Prioritizing non-mining activity seems like it might be trickier than simply capping processor usage. Although it's not quite the same thing, it makes me think of how bandwidth heavy pages are now. Once upon a time, I browsed the web on 56K, or even 14.4K. Now, when my phone gets throttled to 128K many sites are unbearable.

My phone is currently throttled to 8kB/s. The only thing I can read is Hackernews; this is a well-built site.

Reminds me of google web lite. Its used on slow mobile connections from google search in some countries. https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/6211428?hl=en

Re: What happens when I choose to “Suppress Ads” on Salon?

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Post by imron »

dkarl wrote: post #127
imron wrote: post #95

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Check out brave and brave payments.

The top Google result for them seems to be a broken page. https://www.brave.com/blog/introducing-brave-payments/

Try this link: https://www.brave.com/publishers/
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