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Re: Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

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I don't need radical UI redesigns of Thunderbird, but I do see how a redesign does make it look nicer and "modern", even when the underlying functionality is the same. On that basis, my vote is for a UI redesign as long as it doesn't offer too many opportunities for criticism (especially those that cannot be addressed easily by customization efforts of the community). Thunderbird, like Firefox, has had support for Themes to change the entire UI/chrome. Some themes may have introduced issues, but I have tried a few in the past and found them to provide the flexibility that some users like.

As for Thunderbird itself, I have only two wishes:

1. Support Exchange calendaring natively and reliably. I've used different extensions (like Lightning along with DavMail or Exchange Provider), and have always had to revert back to OWA (Outlook Web Access) just to have a usable calendar. Without this, I cannot even recommend Thunderbird within my organization (where almost everybody else is stuck with Outlook; this is not the only factor that makes Outlook attractive to users in the recent years — Outlook also has good integration with Skype and Skype Meetings in the calendar, where people start chats on Skype based on calendar events).

2. Make it perform better. Most people who are Thunderbird users surely have been using it for several years and use multiple mailboxes, with each being at least a few GBs in size. Very few users adopt regular archival, folders, inbox zero and other approaches. I have multiple mailboxes, with a couple of them where the Inbox is about 1GB or 2GB. Thunderbird takes several minutes to startup and show its screen. I know it uses MSF files for the indexes, but it doesn't seem like it does an optimized load of the mail data (mbox) file or takes a lazy approach to loading information that may not be recent. Downloading mail content from IMAP also seems to be slow, though that could be a combination of the servers (across providers) being slower, the protocol and Thunderbird's design/implementation.

P.S.: I donate regularly to the Thunderbird project to show my support. Here's the link for the English version of the donation page (the donation goes only to the Thunderbird project and not to Mozilla/other projects) — https://donate.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/

Re: Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

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I have recently been using Seamonkey as my day to day browser (Seamonkey is good on OpenBSD). I am really enjoying the fresh take on the user interface … but of course it actually has a very old take on a user interface … I've just forgotten.

I think that much of what passes for user interface design is mere fashion. While a bad user interface is eternal, it doesn't seem possible to have a good one over any length of time.

Re: Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

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Vacuuming might help. And deleting old mail with attachments.

I don't want to delete old emails or old attachments, I just want them indexed for faster search.

The point is to have the archives rewritten, they may be fragmented.

Re: Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

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Thunderbird's problem, i think, is that their userbase contains a large portion of people who value thunderbird for it's stagnancy, but at the same time get angry if you suggest that thunderbird might be stagnant. Thunderbird is the email client for people who want email to work exactly like it did ten years ago. that's their value-add, and it really should be their vision.

There was Eudora for that. I think one thing that maybe kept ThB from innovating was that people took webmail to heart. It's few people who want a thick client or even want to go thru the config. What port, what server, etc. On a mobile device, the UI walks them through the scenarios (Google, Microsoft, etc) so they usually don't have to guess or have "IT" set it up for them. Plus, what ships with MAC and Windows is…

> Plus, what ships with MAC and Windows is good enough for most people who do want some kind of thick client.

Airmail and Spark, among others, would like to have a word with you. Airmail in particular started out as a Mac client before being ported to iOS. There exists quite a market for good email clients, I would think.

Re: Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

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If any Thunderbird devs see this, I don't mind a visual refresh, but here's my real wishlist: * Sync accounts and settings between multiple computers. (Using syncthing only works so well...) Over my local LAN. I am not going to send my information out into the cloud if I can help it. * Thunderbird on my Android devices, also synced with my desktop and laptop. * Groupwise integration so I don't have to log into webmai…

As to your first point, I managed this with the user settings on a home server via sshfs (Linux desktop and server). This could also work with shares for Windows (although I didn't try). sshfs is mounted via a script on logon. Has some warts, but works generally well.

I'm able to sync some of it using SyncThing. But I ran into enough sync conflicts, than I've ignored a lot of files in my profile. So not much actually syncs anymore.

sshfs would work if you are on the same network all the time. I have yet to get dynamic dns working for my home connection, so when I'm at work I doubt I'd be able to access my home sshfs share.

Re: Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

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The two interfaces are the same. The new one has more colors and smaller buttons. I'll trade larger buttons for the colors. I'll trade everything for being able to see as many messages as I'll always did. Not another Skype like redesign with lots of useless white space around messages, thanks.

On my laptop the default whitespace is too much, as well. The white space is adjustable in userChrome.css, which, to my understanding from the instructions, you need to edit anyway.

Compact spacing:

  --folder-tree-row-height: 20px;

  --message-list-row-height: 20px;

Re: Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

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This is the exact reason I stopped using Thunderbird.

Have you tried https://www.postbox-inc.com/ ? It's a commercial version of thunderbird from an older thunderbird core dev and it comes with multiple lines. And other niceties. $40 with volume discounts.

why dropping Linux support ?

From what I gather it uses some of thunderbird and firefox code but is heavily modified and is proprietary software.

Too bad they decided to drop linux support, it renders it useless to me.

Re: Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

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post #86

As I entered into the survey, on the 'ooo nice' and 'getting shit done' spectrum, the proposed redesign sits too close to the 'ooo nice' end. So far I'm really happy with Postbox, basically a fork of Thunderbird with loads of modern features. I absolutely hate Outlook.

Postbox is commercial, proprietary and has no linux support. Not exactly a fork of Thunderbird.

Re: Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

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Can't one fork Thunderbird and make it what they want? Or at the very least fix bugs for them? I'm not current on its development workflow.

One has to be a coder, able to deal with the current state of code and the many changes to come, while having a load of free time to maintain the fork. I mean my 90 years old grandma is a decade long thunderbird user and she absolutely unable to make thunderbird the way she wants. She is 100% dependent on mozilla's good will.

yup. I can code but I don't know how conducive TB is for people to get started helping out.

Re: Thunderbird Starts Working on Improving Its Interface

#150

I have the feeling that the Open Source community left the email world a while ago. There is almost nothing happening there. You may argue that it's because email is a solved problem by now, but I don't think so: Setting your own personal email server? Still a hassle to do correctly. Full text search a la Gmail? You can forget it. Threaded conversations across folders? Not for you. Hosting a webmail? Good luck findin…

There are work in progress right now, e.g. trojita[1], caliopen[2], kube[3], ... Setting up your personal email server correctly hassle free: mail-in-a-box[4] Most gmail features requires losing all expectations of privacy and as such are not desirable or feasible. That said IINM full text search already exists in kde's kmail. I have no use for threaded conversations across folder, so I have no suggestions for this,…

I should also mention modoboa[1] which is an opensource mail hosting solution with a web interface.

[1]: https://modoboa.org/en/

[1]: https://github.com/modoboa/modoboa

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