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> After reading about Pai, it seems like he was hand selected to be the figure head with which the ISPs would finally take down Net Neutrality. He's not. He's a generic Republican, appointed by Obama (since the commission is obligated by Congress to have no more than a simple majority of appointees from any one party). The problem is, this is what all Republicans are like nowadays. Any other person that Obama could h…
There isn't a "reasonable" party, the Democrats could have made this a law making repealing it difficult. They found the to give ISPs billions of dollars, and to legalize spying on their customers though. Both parties are a joke, voting for either is an awful choice.
FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”
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Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”
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Its now December 2017. Everybody knew about his plan the day he was sworn in as chairman. Between the resources at Google/ Yahoo/ FB/ Ycombinator alone they have the money, lawyers, know how, and have had since November of last year to do something about this, anything. anything at all. Actually, any fortune 500 company. Not a single whisper from wall street. not a single whisper from the private sector. Obviously in…
Every last bit of the spectrum will be privatized and they will eventually make it illegal to use the Mesh.
I've often thought that mesh networks are where things need to move, but they suffer from a larger problem here in the States:
Chokepoints
Essentially, there are large gaps between cities where there isn't enough population, or there are geographic features in the way (or both) that preclude mesh network relays from being setup by anyone other than a corporation which has the resources to purchase the land needed, and either install fiber, microwave relay towers, or whatnot - and maintain all of it over time.
Sure - you could probably mesh network most of the NE of the country. Maybe even California (though there'd be bottlenecks). But how do you jump from LA to Phoenix, or from Phoenix to Las Vegas or DFW? How do you link any of that to the east coast? How do you get this mesh network to the interior of the country?
Not likely to happen without a lot of money and effort.
What I can see happening, though, is a return to lower-bandwidth communication networks - ie, dust off that old BBS software! Dial-up, or low-bitrate comms (which can pass easier thru congested or low-node count mesh networks) would likely become the way to do things.
But I doubt it would become mainstream, as most people just don't seem to be able to live without their streaming TV channels and bookface feeds. But maybe that would be ideal; the hardcore and tech conscious using these lower-level channels to figure out a way to fix the problems in the mesh, so that one day all could share it.
Worst case, the signal to noise ratio would go down, and we geeks could finally have a space with intelligent discourse and fewer trolls.
Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”
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What makes this decision arbitrary or capricious? The administration and the FCC see a policy objective in deregulating the internet, just because you disagree with it doesn't make it arbitrary. It's going to have definite winners (telcoms) and losers (tech companies) but that is true of literally every type of regulation. There are respects in which, say, fracking is not the best thing for the public either (lightin…
> What makes this decision arbitrary or capricious? Disregard of the integrity of the legally-mandatory public comment process is, in and of itself, strong evidence that there is a violation of procedural rules governing regulation.
You've actually got it backwards. If this were a case of an Executive Branch run amok, the proper move at this point would be for Congress to pass a law and fix it. And Congress itself is definitely an opinion poll, we call them 'elections'.
Elections have consequences, and administrators have a large amount of leeway in how their departments get run.
Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”
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> What makes this decision arbitrary or capricious? Disregard of the integrity of the legally-mandatory public comment process is, in and of itself, strong evidence that there is a violation of procedural rules governing regulation.
The public comment process is not an opinion poll, it's a mechanism to make sure the FCC has all the relevant information at its disposal. They are under no obligation to favor any viewpoint just because it's popular. You've actually got it backwards. If this were a case of an Executive Branch run amok, the proper move at this point would be for Congress to pass a law and fix it. And Congress itself is definitely an…
Which is a straw man, as I did not argue anything about failing to treat the public comment process as a poll.
Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”
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Yes. The notice and comment period is intended to prevent arbitrary or capricious decisions by agencies.
What makes this decision arbitrary or capricious? The administration and the FCC see a policy objective in deregulating the internet, just because you disagree with it doesn't make it arbitrary. It's going to have definite winners (telcoms) and losers (tech companies) but that is true of literally every type of regulation. There are respects in which, say, fracking is not the best thing for the public either (lightin…
Note that 'Arbitrary or capricious' is a legal standard of review for a government agency's decisions[0].
"In administrative law, a government agency's resolution of a question of fact, when decided pursuant to an informal rulemaking under the Administrative Procedure Act (APA), is reviewed on the arbitrary and capricious standard. Arbitrary and capricious is a legal ruling where in an appellate court determines that a previous ruling is invalid because it was made on unreasonable grounds or without any proper consideration of circumstances. This is an extremely deferential standard."
It's a pretty low bar, but it exists.
[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_of_review#Arbitrary_a...
Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's be clear about something here. These are most likely not organic Trump picks. This is about the biggest donors getting their quid pro quo in the form of cabinet picks due to regulatory capture... and leaks of the Obama admin indicate the same thing happened with him, the same with Bush before him, and likely with presidents for a long time. With Obama it was citigroup who got most of the picks if I remember cor…
I didn't downvote you. I fail to see a Betsy Devos type character in either the Bush or Obama admin. She even wrote in a tax benefit to her neocon college in the Northeast.
Usually, the completely crooked, bought-their-way-into-the-Cabinet appointment in any given administration is whoever becomes the Commerce Secretary. You don't usually remember who the Commerce Secretary is because they don't typically do anything, but they're almost always a big money donor. There's a bipartisan tradition of that which stretches back to when it was created at the turn of the century.
Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
> After reading about Pai, it seems like he was hand selected to be the figure head with which the ISPs would finally take down Net Neutrality. He's not. He's a generic Republican, appointed by Obama (since the commission is obligated by Congress to have no more than a simple majority of appointees from any one party). The problem is, this is what all Republicans are like nowadays. Any other person that Obama could h…
There isn't a "reasonable" party, the Democrats could have made this a law making repealing it difficult. They found the to give ISPs billions of dollars, and to legalize spying on their customers though. Both parties are a joke, voting for either is an awful choice.
One party is for dealing with climate change, privacy, net neutrality, healthcare, etc. It may be bad, but it's definitely _less_ bad.
Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”
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If the red states want to have a crippled internet let them. They’re all for states rights so let’s just have our states put in their own net neutrality (which will likely happen on the west coast in some form).
You're assuming ISPs won't try attacking muni federally. > They’re all for states rights If you actually believe that I've got a great bridge called "Fugitive Slave Act of 1850" for sale I'm sure you'd enjoy it.
Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”
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Well the consumer (us) cannot seem to define what we want other than "everything" or point to how the 2014 change fixed issues that were common place. Where is the list of events that were fixed with the change that had not been previously identified and corrected as overreach by an ISP? Take a look at those pushing "net neutrality" and understand why. I am not saying they are not without merit but both sides have me…
>>> With lack of regulation new players came in with higher bandwidth and made it available to me increasing competition. Funny. In the UK, with it's massively regulated marketplaces, one has far greater choice in home broadband providers. The concept that all regulation by government hampers innovation and investment is a highschool-level understanding of economics, an Ayn Rand approach. In cases of monopolies, whic…
However, when incumbents over-invest in the status quo, if a newcomer can change the game then they can disrupt the incumbent and take over the industry. For example, Blockbuster was once the dominant name in video rentals in the US. Then along came a little rent-by-mail service called Netflix. I suspect something similar will happen to ISPs once we figure out how to remove the current reliance on their physical infrastructure. I have no faith that American politicians will regulate for competition in that field at least while the current incumbents remain the top dogs.
For anyone curious about the actual spending on lobbying and donations, here are the numbers:
AT&T (#9 in lobbying spending in 2016): https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=d000000076
Verizon: https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000079
Comcast: https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?cycle=2016&id=D...
Charter: https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?cycle=2016&id=D...
Re: FCC won’t delay vote, says net neutrality supporters are “desperate”
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's be clear about something here. These are most likely not organic Trump picks. This is about the biggest donors getting their quid pro quo in the form of cabinet picks due to regulatory capture... and leaks of the Obama admin indicate the same thing happened with him, the same with Bush before him, and likely with presidents for a long time. With Obama it was citigroup who got most of the picks if I remember cor…
What would an organic Trump pick be if not based on some sort of quid pro quo?