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How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Re: How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Post by titzer »

kaffeemitsahne wrote: post #136
titzer wrote: post #135

I just. don't. get. it. All of this home automation and internet of things hype is going to end in tears. Computers are just. not. secure. They're not even necessary in these applications. I don't want tech that includes massive amounts of software doing the job of simple things. It just is not necessary. I'll walk over to the lightswitch and turn the lights on. I'll set the thermostat and use its old-school timers t…

I don't see why having a smartphone should prevent you from taking a walk and seeing cool things.

It doesn't, really. It's just a background sense of being connected with an umbilical. Without a smartphone, no one can reach me, I don't have a map, a camera, music, distractions. Geez, to think people used to be always like that! If something goes "wrong" I might have to improvise--scary! Interact with people, take responsibility.

And there is the fact they are tracking the shit out of you, and lying about it.

Re: How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Post by lukejduncan »

hkmurakami wrote: post #114
ashleyn wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The not adding value to the house bit is important. Nobody really knows about or cares enough about home automation to justify an added expense on the cost of the home. Maybe this will change when the "iPhone of home automation" finally comes out. Also Z-wave stuff is EXPENSIVE! so if it's not going to up the value of the house then I'm basically giving that stuff away for free.

There are people like me who actively avoid home automation too. Seeing a nest at an open house is a negative.

As a home buyer, why is it a negative? It seems like it would represent such a small % of the purchase price and could be easily included in the negotiation as needing to be removed by the owner before you move in.

Re: How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Post by et-al »

titzer wrote: post #135

I just. don't. get. it. All of this home automation and internet of things hype is going to end in tears. Computers are just. not. secure. They're not even necessary in these applications. I don't want tech that includes massive amounts of software doing the job of simple things. It just is not necessary. I'll walk over to the lightswitch and turn the lights on. I'll set the thermostat and use its old-school timers t…

Most people here love gadgets. That's pretty much the definition of a geek--someone who believes there's a technological solution for every problem.

However, like you, I wonder if trying to gain that additional 5% of optimisation is worth it. Modern Honeywell thermostats already offer enough settings (wake/leave/return/bedtime) that I don't see a Nest making my life significantly better.

Internet-connected smoke alarms, on the otherhand, I feel are useful. Just like I get an alert when my credit card is used, I'd like to know if something set off the alarm in my house. The microphone doesn't need to be in it, though.

Re: How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Post by ensignavenger »

Silhouette wrote: post #62
ashleyn wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The not adding value to the house bit is important. Nobody really knows about or cares enough about home automation to justify an added expense on the cost of the home. Maybe this will change when the "iPhone of home automation" finally comes out. Also Z-wave stuff is EXPENSIVE! so if it's not going to up the value of the house then I'm basically giving that stuff away for free.

The not adding value to the house bit is important. Nobody really knows about or cares enough about home automation to justify an added expense on the cost of the home. I'd actually go further. I do care about home automation, because it is almost certainly a negative and possibly a deal-breaker for me to put any offer in to buy a place. If it has anything installed that has any form of off-site access or any depende…

"if there is anything installed that relies on any sort of sensors"

So, no smoke or CO2 alarms in your house?

Re: How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Post by tradersam »

titzer wrote: post #135

I just. don't. get. it. All of this home automation and internet of things hype is going to end in tears. Computers are just. not. secure. They're not even necessary in these applications. I don't want tech that includes massive amounts of software doing the job of simple things. It just is not necessary. I'll walk over to the lightswitch and turn the lights on. I'll set the thermostat and use its old-school timers t…

Y'know, after a decade on Internet forums, I've found saying "I know I'm going to get downvoted, but—" usually leads to downvotes, while simply stating your position gets judged on actual merit rather than self pity.

Just my ฿ 0.0002.

Re: How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Post by abiox »

titzer wrote: post #135

I just. don't. get. it. All of this home automation and internet of things hype is going to end in tears. Computers are just. not. secure. They're not even necessary in these applications. I don't want tech that includes massive amounts of software doing the job of simple things. It just is not necessary. I'll walk over to the lightswitch and turn the lights on. I'll set the thermostat and use its old-school timers t…

while i'm very skeptical of cloud-only smart-home devices, i'm absolutely all in on the general premise.

i want to have every even remotely conceivable automation and assistance at my whim. if there isn't a secure lan-only option, then let's (as a community) create either open source options or start a business focusing on this as a competitive advantage.

Re: How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Post by perl4ever »

ashark wrote: post #29
nathantotten wrote: post #2

I recently moved and took everything with me. This included replacing z-wave light switches and outlets with normal ones. I swapped everything out before we listed the house. The reality is that most people will just be confused by this sort of stuff and you aren’t going to get any extra money when you sell your house. It’s a pain, but assuming you don’t move very often it’s worth it. Now I have all the things in my…

We may be listing ours soon, and if we do I'm even swapping the LED bulbs for whatever's cheapest at the store. They're only about a year old and the house will sell for zero more dollars if I leave them up.

That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that spending money and effort replacing good bulbs with not-so-good ones is a negative-sum action for the system of you+the new owner. Leaving them in is zero-sum. I left all the LEDs I put in my last apartment when I moved.

Re: How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Post by thisone »

et-al wrote: post #143
titzer wrote: post #135

I just. don't. get. it. All of this home automation and internet of things hype is going to end in tears. Computers are just. not. secure. They're not even necessary in these applications. I don't want tech that includes massive amounts of software doing the job of simple things. It just is not necessary. I'll walk over to the lightswitch and turn the lights on. I'll set the thermostat and use its old-school timers t…

Most people here love gadgets. That's pretty much the definition of a geek--someone who believes there's a technological solution for every problem. However, like you, I wonder if trying to gain that additional 5% of optimisation is worth it. Modern Honeywell thermostats already offer enough settings (wake/leave/return/bedtime) that I don't see a Nest making my life significantly better. Internet-connected smoke alar…

I chose the Nest because we don't have a typical up-leave-home-bed schedule. I contemplated highly programmable thermostats, but felt the extra capability of the Nest was worth it to us.

Re: How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Post by trey-jones »

et-al wrote: post #143
titzer wrote: post #135

I just. don't. get. it. All of this home automation and internet of things hype is going to end in tears. Computers are just. not. secure. They're not even necessary in these applications. I don't want tech that includes massive amounts of software doing the job of simple things. It just is not necessary. I'll walk over to the lightswitch and turn the lights on. I'll set the thermostat and use its old-school timers t…

Most people here love gadgets. That's pretty much the definition of a geek--someone who believes there's a technological solution for every problem. However, like you, I wonder if trying to gain that additional 5% of optimisation is worth it. Modern Honeywell thermostats already offer enough settings (wake/leave/return/bedtime) that I don't see a Nest making my life significantly better. Internet-connected smoke alar…

As a Nest thermostat owner, I am underwhelmed. If I could find a way to leave feedback in a way that I thought it might be incorporated, it would be something like this:

* If your thermostat was really "smart" it wouldn't turn the compressor on 1 minute before the temp was scheduled to change (and turn it back off). * Your "smart" scheduling does more harm than good. And changing the schedule manually is a pain.

There are some good things:

* Retention of usage data is good. * Ability to change the thermostat from office/vacation/bed - pretty great I must say.

But I agree that the IoT thing is way out of control.

Re: How do you move out of a smarthome?

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Post by hkmurakami »

lukejduncan wrote: post #142
hkmurakami wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are people like me who actively avoid home automation too. Seeing a nest at an open house is a negative.

As a home buyer, why is it a negative? It seems like it would represent such a small % of the purchase price and could be easily included in the negotiation as needing to be removed by the owner before you move in.

Yeah I agree. But I still get a negative psychological reaction since I dislike any and all smarthome products, which colors my impression of the property. Illogical I know, but it's a reality for me and other home buyers / home sellers.

It's like staging a home right? None of this furniture comes with the house but how it's staged absolutely influences your impression of the home.

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