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Re: I still love Kierkegaard

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Post by lurcio » Sun, Nov 19, 2017, 5:06 PM UTC

anonred wrote: post #80

Ascetik wrote: post #75

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Traditional Catholic here, former seminarian in a traditional seminary. >How can someone reject Christianity when they haven't done the due diligence of looking at __primary sources__ for the Christian position? Intellectual laziness. They just repeat what they see on reddit or sound-bytes they've heard from others who have no idea what they're talking about. If they want to know what Christianity truly teaches have…

> Intellectual laziness. It's more of a coping mechanism, is it not? I've read roughly half of the things you've listed, but definitely don't remember most of the nuances. By default, people don't know (or care) about philosophy, and religion is a type of philosophy. It's a bit like bashing people for not taking the time to read Kant.

The stakes are clearly higher here (or claimed to be, as you like it)....no one has condemned you to the lake of fire for not knowing Kant :-)

Re: I still love Kierkegaard

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Post by lurcio » Sun, Nov 19, 2017, 5:11 PM UTC

mmyyyy wrote: post #69

jmcqk6 wrote: post #14

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>God sacrificing his own Son, which is also Him, in place of all sacrifices. The twist is more complex than that. God is sacrificing his own son, which is also him, to himself, in order to satisfy rules that he himself also put in place so that he doesn't have to send people he created and loves infinitely to be tortured forever in a place he created because they broke rules they couldn't understand with consequences…

As someone in the tech field and an Orthodox Christian doing a masters in theology, I find it incredibly frustrating that there is absolute sheer ignorance about Christian theology. Literally ALL basic tenets of Christianity are misunderstood and distorted. And while I acknowledge that part of the problem is the ignorance of some Christian leaders and ministers, it's definitely not the whole problem. Intellectual hon…

Any Christian should completely understand, indeed expect, "that there is absolute sheer ignorance about Christian theology."

Re: I still love Kierkegaard

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Post by lurcio » Sun, Nov 19, 2017, 5:15 PM UTC

jmcqk6 wrote: post #127

Ascetik wrote: post #75

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Traditional Catholic here, former seminarian in a traditional seminary. >How can someone reject Christianity when they haven't done the due diligence of looking at __primary sources__ for the Christian position? Intellectual laziness. They just repeat what they see on reddit or sound-bytes they've heard from others who have no idea what they're talking about. If they want to know what Christianity truly teaches have…

>Intellectual laziness. They just repeat what they see on reddit or sound-bytes they've heard from others who have no idea what they're talking about. Wow that's incredibly judgemental from someone claiming to be a christian. I see you've learned the lessons from those books well and are applying them in your daily life.

He's actually being very Christian and completely scriptural. I will omit referencing, in order to fully illustrate the point he made.

Re: I still love Kierkegaard

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Post by lurcio » Sun, Nov 19, 2017, 9:27 PM UTC

Apocryphon wrote: post #50

jmcqk6 wrote: post #25

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Or you can say "that's absurd" and move on with your life.

As for Kierkegaard, he did all three.

Best comment in whole thread - thanks

Re: I still love Kierkegaard

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Post by mmyyyy » Tue, Nov 21, 2017, 10:19 PM UTC

charcoal23 wrote: post #137

mmyyyy wrote: post #128

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Indeed as I said earlier part of the problem is the kind of theology that is taught especially in the US. I never said it was an invalid experience but only said that it cannot be a representation of Christianity - for one to get that they would need to look into works by Christian authors throughout the years. I'm sorry to hear you were personally negatively affected by the Church. Btw Orthodox is a big umbrella, I'…

I would strongly disagree with you. Christianity can and should be measured by the behavior of its believers. The behavior is the one and only metric we have regarding the efficacy of the faith, since the supernatural claims are something we can neither prove nor disprove. Christianity is supposed to remake people into something better. Paul had a concept of the "new man" in Christ. If Christians are no better than t…

Don't allow the inadequacies of others to get in your way towards Christ whom you yourself recognise love and humility in. We Christians always fall short of Christ.

New man in Christ indeed, but that's not a magical transformation that happened some time in the past, a time where I can say "I was saved". The transformation is a life-long journey. The new man vs old is a daily struggle, a life-long struggle...

This is not something that can be observed and tested, it is something that can be lived and tested.

Re: I still love Kierkegaard

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Post by jmcqk6 » Mon, Nov 27, 2017, 3:18 PM UTC

cgmg wrote: post #132

jmcqk6 wrote: post #127

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>Intellectual laziness. They just repeat what they see on reddit or sound-bytes they've heard from others who have no idea what they're talking about. Wow that's incredibly judgemental from someone claiming to be a christian. I see you've learned the lessons from those books well and are applying them in your daily life.

Is he wrong?

yes