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Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by InitialLastName »

throwaway413 wrote: post #95
KitDuncan wrote: post #87

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Completly off topic, but everybody should try the field roast apple sage sausages. They are absolutely amazing.

The only meat alternative I can routinely get meat-eaters to not only try, but enjoy.

I started to love "meat alternatives" the moment I stopped expecting them to taste like meat.

I'm a thorough meat eater, but I also eat loads of Morningstar Farms Original Chik Patties because they fall in a pretty optimal place for me in the price/nutrition/convenience/taste coordinate system. They don't taste like chicken though.

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Post by mcguire »

tree_of_item wrote: post #70
simonsarris wrote: post #56

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I didn't know anyone was afraid of dietary cholesterol in 2017. Remember, I'm advocating: > Pasteurized Whole Milk, Pasteurized Cream, Live Active Cultures Over: > Filtered water, soy protein isolate, maltodextrin, high oleic sunflower oil, isomaltulose, canola oil, rice starch, oat fiber, isomaltooligosaccharide, soy lecithin, potassium chloride, calcium phosphate, magnesium phosphate, natural & artificial flavors,…

> I didn't know anyone was afraid of dietary cholesterol in 2017. You didn't know, or you don't think they should be? The jury is still out on dietary cholesterol, and there are plenty of people, some on this very forum, who consider it a health hazard. I'm aware of recent research suggesting it isn't all that bad, but there's no telling if that's going to be reversed as well in a couple of years.

AFAIK, the jury is still out on high far does, too.

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Post by jsjohnst »

riffraff wrote: post #123
rhinoceraptor wrote: post #103

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That's only true if you have the peculiar western idea that meat is just the lean muscle tissue of the animal. If you count bone marrow, brain, organ meats, blood, etc. an animal is pretty high fat.

the problem is that "animal" was not the most common food anyway, overshadowed by plants, not that it doesn't contain enough fat. EDIT: I'm also not sure about this western culture bias you're talking about, I am italian and we eat innards, blood and marrow. I am fairly sure every culture in europe does.

I think he meant American bias when he said “western culture”. “Meat”, where I was raised, definitely didn’t include those (very tasty!) parts of the animal.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by jsjohnst »

iraphael wrote: post #135
mrleinad wrote: post #131

A bit off-topic, but food related: visited the US a month ago and noticed that almost _everything_ contains corn syrup. What's the deal with that? How come most things (even a plain pot of honey) gets it mixed with the rest of the ingredients? Is it because of cost saving for the manufacturers, or are there some health benefits from consuming corn syrup? Please ignore if this comment is too offtopic for this thread.

The US produces a lot of corn, so it is cheap. And corn syrup is a sugar-substitute, so including it in everything makes things taste more addictive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliss_point_(food)

One important fact to add is that corn is the #1 subsidized commodity in the US, so it’s artifically inflated to being over produced. The subsidies are like 2:1 to the next most subsidized commodity.

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Post by mcv »

qyv wrote: post #125
mmrezaie wrote: post #98

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So they relabel it and it would be fine?

If you read the link these rules only apply to labeling for anything marked as a "Meal Replacement" product, like soylent.

So if Soylent changes the label, they're fine?

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Post by ssijak »

sandworm101 wrote: post #117
ssijak wrote: post #105

I always hated Soylent. Their bold and false marketing (things like "We solved nutrition.", "Complete nutrition no matter which flavor you choose."). If it was me, I would ban them everywhere, not just Canada, because of that false advertising. It is one thing, making a drink and selling it, and another marketing it like that. It was very painful from the start listening how 2 guys with no background SOLVED NUTRITION…

They aren't out to fix all the health problems associated with what people do and don't eat, or about any lack of food. The "solve nutrition" stuff is more about solving the "what shall I eat today" question. It's about providing a product to lazy people. They throw some science in because they know that sells to their target market, which isn't everyone. Like most other fad foods the real product is the marketing hy…

They are out to earn money. Period. You can`t fix anything with soya and sunflower oil.

Re: Soylent can no longer ship to Canada

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Post by mcv »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #3

The Canadian requirements look very sensible: http://www.inspection.gc.ca/food/labelling/food-labelling-fo... Spit it out - which one did Soylent fail?

From the article: "There is nothing wrong with the Soylent product you are consuming, this issue emerged from regulatory compliance, not product quality."

Is that not what regulatory compliance is about? I wonder what Soylent thinks regulatory compliance is for.

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Post by DanBC »

3pt14159 wrote: post #46
mful wrote: post #10

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The 30% cap on calories from fat is pretty ridiculous in my view. Even if you don't buy into the idea that fat is healthful, there is plenty of science that indicates it is, and so at least CIFA should not regulate fat content in this way. Sidenote: I don't drink Soylent and have no idea if it fails the fat content. I'm in the "Soylent is not healthful" camp, if it matters.

Not to split hairs, but the cap is 35% unless you want to replace all meals. I know we're all avant guard around here, but until fairly recently it wasn't accepted knowledge that fat wasn't as bad for you as first thought. It's understandable that regulations would take time to adjust.

> unless you want to replace all meals

But that's a key point of Soylent marketing - a sole source of nutrition is something that comes up in every discussion of Soylent on HN.

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Post by DanBC »

api_or_ipa wrote: post #32
raquo wrote: post #6

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Fat calories would be one reason. 47% in soylent vs 35% max allowed. Their announcement mentions that it failed more than one requirement, so there must be something else in addition to this.

I can sympathize with keeping the public safe, but there must be some legal way to promote non-traditional nutrition regimes, in this case as simple as increasing fat consumption. There are many diets suiting many different lifestyles in Canada, from the traditional Inuit meat & fat heavy diet to many 'fad' diets extolled in magazines. It seems strange to me why it's legal to advocate a diet in media but illegal to l…

The legal way, and this is something that's been pointed out in every single Soylent thread, is to stop selling it as a sole source of nutrition

You can do that, but you then need to meet the regulatory hurdles.

Or you can market it for the way it's actually used by the vast majority of people - a meal replacement.

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