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Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by jbicha »

lultimouomo wrote: post #58
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's interesting, I was hoping for some improvements in HiDPI support with the shift to Wayland.

On a Debain sid install I was somehow recently bumped from Gnome3 on X11 toi Gnome3 on wayland. Chromium and Qt apps got broken scaling; I solved it by forcing the session to be Gnome3 on X11. This is just anecdote of course! I would have liked to dig more into it and figure things out, but honestly I just had too much to do and chose whatever was working for me.

Have you tried again after upgrading to gnome-shell 3.26 (it's only been in Debian unstable for one week)?

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by jbicha »

randallsquared wrote: post #37
roenxi wrote: post #7

Pay attention to the 2nd dot point under known issues. This release uses Wayland, and that has profound implications for screenshot, streaming and remote desktop-ing. The Wayland protocol apparently made some bold decisions to enforce security through isolation, and apart from the compositor it is all but impossible for anything to sneak a peak at what other programs are doing visually. It'll be interesting to see if…

I've been using Wayland (with nouveau) in the Artful beta for over a month, and screenshots haven't been an issue... I didn't notice anything was supposed to be wrong, there.

It depends on the app whether screenshots work. Some apps use the GNOME screenshot API and are fine; other apps assume X.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by jbicha »

shakna wrote: post #114
teekert wrote: post #111

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Unity8 is as dead as Ubuntu Phone (if you don't count community forks). Gnome is the future of Ubuntu, there will be no Mir, there will be no Unity8.

As I said, Mir has a fresh release in this release, and continued development. If it's dead in the water... You might want to go tell the team.

Mir is still used for some of Canonical's IoT products. Since Canonical has paying customers, it's worthwhile to continue maintaining it.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by ASalazarMX »

ausjke wrote: post #68

32-bit installer images are no longer provided for Ubuntu Desktop. The Ubuntu Desktop now uses GNOME instead of Unity. On supported systems, Wayland is now the default display server. The older display server is still available: just choose Ubuntu on Xorg from the cog on the log in screen. GDM has replaced LightDM as the default display manager. The login screen now uses virtual terminal 1 instead of virtual terminal…

Wayland finally. The tortuous Mir and Unity crusade is over, I'm willing to bear with whatever is broken in this release if it means Ubuntu working with actual industry standards, specially in the graphics area.

It's not the first time they've done this, they adopted SystemD instead of their own Upstart as soon as it was deemed the standard.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by runeks »

joelthelion wrote: post #40
roenxi wrote: post #7

Pay attention to the 2nd dot point under known issues. This release uses Wayland, and that has profound implications for screenshot, streaming and remote desktop-ing. The Wayland protocol apparently made some bold decisions to enforce security through isolation, and apart from the compositor it is all but impossible for anything to sneak a peak at what other programs are doing visually. It'll be interesting to see if…

I've been using Gnome on Wayland as my primary desktop on Arch and Fedora for several months if not a year. It's a marked improvement over Gnome/Xorg, and most of the issues have now been resolved. You might need to find new ways to accomplish a few tasks, though. But I can attest it works. Edit: fix desktop/compositor confusion

> It's a marked improvement over Gnome/Xorg […]

How so?

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by ASalazarMX »

immutable_ai wrote: post #138
irontoby wrote: post #91

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In other words, they've made a lot of big changes right before an LTS version so that they can get wider usage with those who don't mind being on the bleeding edge. Sounds like they're doing it right :) I'm putting a lot of hope into 18.04. Been using Ubuntu for over a decade now and my happiness with it has been steadily decreasing. Mostly at this point due to very laggy graphics performance (whether using OSS or cl…

I use Ubuntu for programming and it is great. Still use Windows for HTPC though because I gave up on trying to get Ubuntu to sync video playback correctly after banging my head against the wall for a while.

It is my understanding that difficult tasks should be attempted before banging one's head against the wall.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by ASalazarMX »

reacweb wrote: post #38
angrygoat wrote: post #18

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With Fedora jumping over nearly a year ago to Wayland as default in F25, and now Ubuntu in a non-LTS release, hopefully we'll see a tipping point where software (especially third-party/proprietary software) simply must work well on Wayland in order to have a user base. Once we've got an Ubuntu LTS and a RHEL/CentOS release out there with Wayland by default, X11 ought to rapidly become a thing of the past. There's Xwa…

I have bought a new desktop this spring. The first thing I did was configuring wake on lan (in France, we have 7 days to cancel a purchase). The second one was to configure ssh and gnome to be able to administer it remotely (line DisallowTCP=false in /etc/gdm3/custom.conf). I use Linux at work since 1999 and I have used a local display less than 1% of the time. An application that does not work remotely does not exis…

I'm lost, why is it relevant that "in France, we have 7 days to cancel a purchase"?

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by lultimouomo »

jbicha wrote: post #141
lultimouomo wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a Debain sid install I was somehow recently bumped from Gnome3 on X11 toi Gnome3 on wayland. Chromium and Qt apps got broken scaling; I solved it by forcing the session to be Gnome3 on X11. This is just anecdote of course! I would have liked to dig more into it and figure things out, but honestly I just had too much to do and chose whatever was working for me.

Have you tried again after upgrading to gnome-shell 3.26 (it's only been in Debian unstable for one week)?

Tried right now; QtCreator and chromium are still broken. Curiously, the former is super tiny and the latter huge!

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by tabletiptop »

dm319 wrote: post #49
bostand wrote: post #21

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Same here, 2017 unity is fast, stable and beautiful. I hope this move results in the same improvements coming to gnome. but I'm not upgrading for now.

People should know that Ubuntu-mate with mutiny layout is an alternative for some. Unlike 17.10, it keeps the global menus and HUD, but not the launcher (uses synapse instead).

I'd say that Ubuntu MATE (16.04) with the redmond layout and advanced menu enabled is the best alternative to Windows 7 I've yet seen in a Linux distro.
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