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The "trough of disillusionment". Great term! http://www.gartner.com/technology/research/methodologies/hyp...

In this particular case, the effect may be amplified, because expectations (the y-axis in the graph) may have an effect on meditation/mindfulness.

A hype-based placebo effect perhaps?

Re: Much of the research around meditation and mindfulness has serious flaws

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>Once you have these skills you can (presumably) use them for other things and to achieve various effects. But it starts there. They said the same thing about brain exercises like Luminosity. The brain is way more complex, and you can't just hack your way to becoming the ultimate programmer. Perhaps there are legitamate factors that lead to unproductive and stressed out workers.

Well there are at least two differences: - There are a lot of scientific studies (however dubious, see the original post) about the effects of meditation: there are none about Luminosity. - Meditation has been practiced for millennia with entire cultures and philosophies built around it. Luminosity is a 6-year-old app with a good marketing team. Neither of these things are definitive proof of course. But I think they…

>even if meditation is nothing more than a deliberate activation of the placebo effect, that's a pretty cool result.

You are misunderstanding the placebo effect.

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There is no need for scientific proof. I observe that being mindful changes things for me: The way I listen to people, the way I eat, the way I handle rejection or anger or any other feeling. I realize that being mindful (vs mindlessly and blindly doing things) sharpens my senses, makes me think clearer, makes me change perspectives, create more categories or realize that I think within categories. I got in touch wit…

Scientific proof is always a good thing. Many self-improvement stuff only have function of being placebo and you could as well be delusional that things are working as it was promised. I am curious about mindfulness, especially because different people claiming to practice it haven't been able to define it consistently. It's also hard to trust anything that is designed to be sold at executive retreats and leadership programs.

Anyway, so how do you define and practice it?

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I believe there are only 2 way to reach truth. 1. experience your truth 2. do statistically sound study to show if your truth is in fact the truth of majority. to challenge and test the use of , meditation and 'Mindfulness', JUST TRY IT on yourself. this won't kill you or cost you fortune. find your own truth. P.S. - I think this magazine Article to be somewhat hocus - pocus. I can't pinpoint what's wrong1 except som…

Avoid using words never, always, ever, all, none, only. Most sentences containing those words are not true given enough space and time.

Re: Much of the research around meditation and mindfulness has serious flaws

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There is no need for scientific proof. I observe that being mindful changes things for me: The way I listen to people, the way I eat, the way I handle rejection or anger or any other feeling. I realize that being mindful (vs mindlessly and blindly doing things) sharpens my senses, makes me think clearer, makes me change perspectives, create more categories or realize that I think within categories. I got in touch wit…

Scientific proof is always a good thing. Many self-improvement stuff only have function of being placebo and you could as well be delusional that things are working as it was promised. I am curious about mindfulness, especially because different people claiming to practice it haven't been able to define it consistently. It's also hard to trust anything that is designed to be sold at executive retreats and leadership…

See, the problem is in trying to understand it all, with the thinking mind: the mechanisms, the effects. This is what Zen masters have been trying to teach us all the time: That we are not our thinking minds, neither are we are thoughts. There is a level beyond that. Meta. Holistic. Where you grasp intuitively.

I do understand that every charlatan could argue like that. And the self help genre has turned into a huge industry in the US alone. With coaches, gurus, teachers who want us to buy yet another book or seminar to get rich, to find inner peace, etc

The essence of Mindfulness meditation - the way I see it - is pretty simple: Being mindful in many situations. Hitting the pause button regularly. Taking time. Being more aware.

Re: Much of the research around meditation and mindfulness has serious flaws

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I believe there are only 2 way to reach truth. 1. experience your truth 2. do statistically sound study to show if your truth is in fact the truth of majority. to challenge and test the use of , meditation and 'Mindfulness', JUST TRY IT on yourself. this won't kill you or cost you fortune. find your own truth. P.S. - I think this magazine Article to be somewhat hocus - pocus. I can't pinpoint what's wrong1 except som…

You can't "reach" truth. Truth is a quantum state. I think "finding your own truth" is just a euphemism for "be comfortable with your interpretation of reality". (unless you meant to say "peace", in which case you can probably achieve a kind of peace and reasonably observe it)

I think, your truth is your (interpretation of) reality. I believe, any and every thing else doesn't matter.

Re: Much of the research around meditation and mindfulness has serious flaws

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I believe there are only 2 way to reach truth. 1. experience your truth 2. do statistically sound study to show if your truth is in fact the truth of majority. to challenge and test the use of , meditation and 'Mindfulness', JUST TRY IT on yourself. this won't kill you or cost you fortune. find your own truth. P.S. - I think this magazine Article to be somewhat hocus - pocus. I can't pinpoint what's wrong1 except som…

Number two seems not right. For the path you’re talking about to be useful, shouldn’t it still work even if you’re the last person on left on Earth? Number two also assumes that the majority of people are also searching for truth (seems they aren’t, currently) or have already found it (which would require that they’d been already searching).

If, i am the last person on earth. I can still find my truth, by experiencing it myself. it's not 1 and 2. it's 1 or 2.
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