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I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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... until you stop taking the drug.

See this from earlier research results http://www.mdmaptsd.org/research-category.html

> A long-term follow-up of patients who received MDMA-assisted psychotherapy revealed that overall benefits were maintained an average of 3.8 years later.

(This is after 2 total sessions)

See here for more http://www.mdmaptsd.org/infographic.html

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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> For decades, there has been a near complete effective block on medical research for certain classes of drugs. In the US. One wonders why such a study wasn't carried out in a less puritan country.

It's because the real reason that testing these drugs is illegal isn't USA puritan values/laws. It's because they aren't patented. The synthetic opioids that drug companies are dumping on the population these days are many times more dangerous, but they make a profit for big companies, so they are legal. Powerful drug companies influence research worldwide. They want no competition from drugs that would be generic fr…

Wait, you think drug companies are conspiring to stop MDMA trials?

Having worked for a few drug companies I can assure you most don't even know what MDMA is.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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It's because the real reason that testing these drugs is illegal isn't USA puritan values/laws. It's because they aren't patented. The synthetic opioids that drug companies are dumping on the population these days are many times more dangerous, but they make a profit for big companies, so they are legal. Powerful drug companies influence research worldwide. They want no competition from drugs that would be generic fr…

This is a big issue. Clinical studies to get a chemical approved for therapeutical use are very expensive, and since most of the chemicals were first explored a long time ago, they can't be patented anymore, so no pharmaceutical company would fund the studies since they won't be able to be the sole provider of that drug (at a premium cost), and public funding for clinical studies is quite low.

There is nothing stopping them from making a patentable analogue. Happens a lot right now.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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post #31

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There's also an article from someone high up (sorry I'm not being more specific) in the government/presidency of the 60s who said the main reason for the drug laws was so they could lock up lots of African Americans

"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper's writer Dan Baum for the April cover story published Tuesday. "You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana…

Both marijuana and heroin were illegal long before Nixon was president.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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From a comment elsewhere by "Brian" on moving past psychological trauma: http://www.hughhowey.com/our-silos-leak/ "Cognitive behavioral therapists don’t even bother trying to figure out the why — because when most people get their so-called “epiphany” explaining why they’re feeling so badly, the knowledge doesn’t give them any clue as to how to feel better and be happy. All they know is, X and Y and Z happened to me many moons ago, and that’s why I feel like crap now. But what do I actually do about it? Bandler and Grinder figured it out forty plus years ago during the infancy of NLP too: focus on what you want, focus on what makes you happy, model people who are successful and happy and voila …. you’ll move in that direction too. Like you said above, Hugh, thinking about something that bothers you over and over is just another way of reexperiencing the pain and torment. Unless you’re coming at the memory from a fresh perspective, it’s like rubbing salt in the wound."

So, if a drug like MDMA helps someone see a memory from a fresh perspective, maybe it could help? But otherwise, the general advice above seems useful.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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post #143

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This is a big issue. Clinical studies to get a chemical approved for therapeutical use are very expensive, and since most of the chemicals were first explored a long time ago, they can't be patented anymore, so no pharmaceutical company would fund the studies since they won't be able to be the sole provider of that drug (at a premium cost), and public funding for clinical studies is quite low.

There is nothing stopping them from making a patentable analogue. Happens a lot right now.

Well, except for this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Analogue_Act

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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post #39

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When a patient sits with a therapist under the influence of MDMA, which typically consists of two doses (100-120mg initially, then 70mg a few hours later) spread over an 6-8 hour period. The patient is largely experiencing their own internal process, but at times the therapist is there to help guide and comfort. Before and after the session there is conventional psychotherapeutic follow-up.

Is it possible to do this, today, anywhere in the world (without getting into a study, which seems hard, especially in another country)? I am looking for help for somebody close to me.

I know someone who recovered from an extremely traumatic experience through accidental self medication whilst out partying.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Is it possible to do this, today, anywhere in the world (without getting into a study, which seems hard, especially in another country)? I am looking for help for somebody close to me.

I know someone who recovered from an extremely traumatic experience through accidental self medication whilst out partying.

This is such bullshit. I for instance know someone who got severe depressions from taking madma a few times. Don’t just believe the hype!

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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I know someone who recovered from an extremely traumatic experience through accidental self medication whilst out partying.

This is such bullshit. I for instance know someone who got severe depressions from taking madma a few times. Don’t just believe the hype!

I don't think your comment's parent was advocating doing that. It merely offered an existence proof. Your anecdote can't beat up his, and vice versa.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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post #77

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It might be because there are people who have experienced otherwise and you seem to be speaking in generalizations instead of experience. This is anecdotal, but taking MDMA once, recreationally and not in a theraputic sessions, helped me with social anxiety. The best analogy I can give is like you're playing a NES game, and it's glitching all over parts of the screen. You're still able to play, but there's interferen…

This is not my original thought, but what if that "beauty" is manufactured? What if it's not genuine beauty, but an illusion created by your mind to validate the experience of taking the MDMA? I guess the research would prove whether that's the case. I realize that's a pretty extreme statement to make. But from what I understand, we hardly realize how the mind works. I am not saying don't dismiss the research. I just…

What if the ugliness that people who experienced trauma see isn’t real either? Everything you experience is an illusion created by your mind, sober or not.
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