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Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by willstrafach »

mhkool wrote: post #94

Remember the Chinese network equipment allegations? The agencies said hey had backdoors. That was never proven but what we know is that the agencies had access over nearly all Cisco equipment. Now Kaspersky is the next 'unsafe' non-American company... There are only allegations from an unreliable source: the agencies have lied regularly. I am convinced that there is an anti-Kaspersky campaign since the agencies 'like…

> Remember the Chinese network equipment allegations? The agencies said hey had backdoors. That was never proven but what we know is that the agencies had access over nearly all Cisco equipment.

They had exploits for both Cisco and Huawei actually.

> There are only allegations from an unreliable source: the agencies have lied regularly.

I don't recall that happening, do you have a few specific examples?

> I am convinced that there is an anti-Kaspersky campaign since the agencies 'like' the American antivirus vendors a lot more. I bet the agencies have ways to spy on users of American antivirus vendors.

Sounds like a very bold claim to make, but no substantiation.

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by 086421357909764 »

JamesBarney wrote: post #98
pm90 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with your assessment of the Establishments role in the promotion of the Iraq war, I don't think an actual conflict with Russia is either desirable or possible without severely wrecking the current global order. It seems more like the kind of behavior I've seen when you impose tedious security protocols universally without explaining it properly to those expected to follow it. I'm willing to bet that as…

I thought the reason they used contractors was certain government rules made it a pain in the ass to hire a new employee at 100-150k.(a lowish level for a quality devs with security clearance)

This has a strong weight in truth at least within the CNO world. Simply can't compete with commercial salaries (which for those with unique experiences are commanding even greater than the average SV salary).

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by philipov »

spaceseaman wrote: post #75
indubitable wrote: post #54

I find these allegations are deserving of some scrutiny. The entire story is quite bizarre when you begin to consider it. The NSA is apparently leaking like a broken pipe with this information. And it's peculiar because this is information that makes our intelligence agencies look completely inept. That is a very good thing if this story is fake, but a very bad thing if its true. It is stupefying that NSA contractors…

> Our media and our government lied to generate a case for war. And I feel lately that they are now trying to build a case for some sort of conflict, presumably cold, against Russia I mean, there's verifiable evidence Russia tried to influence our election. That's pretty new for a lot of Americans. I imagine that's why the government and the media are running wild with it. Mueller is still investigating. I would say…

I crush your Hanlon's Razor with my Grey's Law:

"Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by 086421357909764 »

ericfrederich wrote: post #21

This came up in congress a couple weeks ago didn't it? I think Rubio had mentioned Kapersky it knowing that it was a public hearing... some speculated that this was perhaps because he was privy to some classified things he couldn't say publicly but wanted to get the word out that they can't be trusted.

There's always been a strong narrative, but for a government to call out another commercial entity and or government for spying is a dangerous game and only played when it's a big enough issue. It's all politics, they're spying, we're spying, it's when that crosses the line and we need to slap hands that matters. Further the public disclosure of facts to support are risky in that they can give away, tools, capabilities, or accesses that may be unknown to the foreign actors.

For it to hit the news and the government to ban it, took many years of balancing and finally something internal broke the camels back so to speak. I'm not sure if this was it, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's probably not an isolated case.

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Post by state_less »

c3534l wrote: post #103
spaceseaman wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Our media and our government lied to generate a case for war. And I feel lately that they are now trying to build a case for some sort of conflict, presumably cold, against Russia I mean, there's verifiable evidence Russia tried to influence our election. That's pretty new for a lot of Americans. I imagine that's why the government and the media are running wild with it. Mueller is still investigating. I would say…

Where is this verifiable evidence so I can actually verify it?

Don Jr. personally admitted to meeting with Russians.

[1] http://www.npr.org/2017/07/12/536782047/donald-trump-jr-admi...

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by blackflame7000 »

dreamfactored wrote: post #86
SerLava wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, are you saying the commanders are trying to destroy the soldiers' personal hidden phones by making them swim with their gear?

Yes, they are banned of course as per regulations but that is hardly going to stop the hardened phone addicts

Well other soldiers should stop them if they see it since the phone addict is putting everyone at risk by shrieking for cell towers

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by mythrwy »

jejeuei73737 wrote: post #135
mythrwy wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying the original poster isn't Russian, maybe they are. Does it really matter? If what they are saying isn't true we can contradict it or ignore it right? However if what is being said is true maybe the bigger problem is not _who_ is saying what but rather that this truth exists to be said and maybe we should do something about that rather than ascribing motives which may or may not be accurate.

If I can’t trust the messenger there is little point in my verifying their claims

If you can't separate a message from who you suspect the messenger might be there is little point in verifying claims either.

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Post by [deleted] »

zghst wrote: post #131
killjoywashere wrote: post #70

I'm going to go out on a limb and propose a hypothesis: The DoD's hyper-innefficient contracting system rewards DC insiders and effectively limits the department's ability to invest where investment is needed while draining the public coffers of unfathomable amounts of money. The DoD's hyper-ineffective personnel system inhibits personal development while at the same time making it nearly impossible to move laterally…

The power on the inside is more of a effective deterrent and great asset than a deficit for the DoD. Economically how it works is that the DoD secures assets and locations around the world relating to the means of production of consumer components. American interests, especially the interests of the American consumer are definitely protected and represented for. Where this model has failed for us is put a huge defici…

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Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by monocasa »

dreamfactored wrote: post #91
mhneu wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kaspersky was trained by the FSB (former KGB). (Putin has been quoted as saying "there's no such thing as a /former/ KGB officer"). So as a defacto agent of the Russian government, Kaspersky certainly considers the NSA (and other Western gov't agencies) to be an adversary. Agreed that it's crazy that the US govt ever used Kaspersky software. https://www.extremetech.com/internet/252421-russian-cybersec... "According t…

Well the Pentium chip itself was a Russian design so why not use their AV - https://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/06/07/intel_uses_russia_m...

The Pentium was not a Russian design. Seriously, anytime The Register makes a claim, it's generally more accurate to assume the opposite.
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