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Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by nullwarp »

captn3m0 wrote: post #46
MollyR wrote: post #34

I'm thinking of switching my business email to protonmail from gmail. Any users like it ? The whole google memo revealed google employees are not as trustworthy as I thought. All the social media talk of blacklists, and inquisition tactics from some of upper management is bad for business. I've already gotten emails from clients asking me to change their business google services to something else (anything else in th…

I've been using migadu.com for a while (nice reliable email hosting for 4$/mo). They even have a nice drawbacks page: https://www.migadu.com/en/drawbacks.html

Oh wow this is perfect, I've been wanting an email service that is priced exactly like this forever. Thank you so much for posting it!

I have a lot of email/domain combinations and most places charge per domain which makes it super expensive super quick.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by nullwarp »

the_common_man wrote: post #121
blfr wrote: post #65

If you like Proton features and want to move away from Gmail, consider Mailpile[1]. It's almost ready, there's a release candidate and packages for Debian/Ubuntu; it offers to protect your data with a master password like Proton; it supports GPG which with all its problems is still the way to encrypt your emails; and you can run it on your own server. Best of all it's open source and written in Python. You can know e…

There is also cloudron.io. It has imap/smtp/sieve/catch-all/relaying/aliases/tagging/rest api. Fairly complete. https://cloudron.io/documentation/email/

My only complaint with cloudron is that the auto-update mechanism requires a subscription. You can manually upgrade, but it's awkward and I broke it more than once while trying.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by pfg »

vopi wrote: post #130
psy-q wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been with them for over a year now as well and not a single issue. The interface is a bit cumbersome in some ways, it's a customized OpenXchange, so some mailbox.org-specific settings are done outside of the rest of the more general OpenXchange settings. What you get with mailbox.org that you don't get with ProtonMail: * IMAP and SMTP * Support for hardware 2FA dongles like Yubikey * Ability to use your own GPG…

I don't know much about eu laws and less of Germany. Out of curiosity if I was a Nazi could the government shot me down?

A number of European countries have laws that make denial of the holocaust (or sometimes more generally all known acts of genocide) and usage of Nazi symbols (swastika, etc.) illegal, with exceptions for things like art and research. Many also prohibit incitement to ethnic or racial hatred.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by GigabyteCoin »

tradersam wrote: post #133
GigabyteCoin wrote: post #127

>"You can now get secure email anonymously" How exactly... by paying with Bitcoin? And this is coming from a security-conscious company? Unless I mined the Bitcoins myself, and never spent the remaining 12.45 BTC that I mined (after presumably spending 0.05 BTC on protonmail)... it is far from "Anonymous". If they started accepting Zcash, however...

> Zcash Monero would be a better option.

Care to elaborate?

I don't know a ton about Zcash or Monero, I only know that Zcash advertises and actually produces truly anonymous transactions (that the founders can unmask, or so I have read).

Is Monero anonymous as well? For every transaction? Or only specific ones (like Zcash).

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by bartbutler »

aioprisan wrote: post #139
vabmit wrote: post #40

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Try to relax a bit. It is good for your health. :) Both of those features are under development. If you would like to see them sooner rather than later, perhaps you know some great programmers that you could recommend to careers@protonmail.ch? Or, you could share ProtonMail's Careers page: https://protonmail.com/careers ProtonMail is hiring!

And now I'm closing my account. Not the way to respond to a valid customer concern. Good to know this is how you treat customers on a premium service. I'll share it with other customers so they know.

@vabmit means well but he is not an employee of ProtonMail.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by jk2323 »

nullwarp wrote: post #141
captn3m0 wrote: post #46

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I've been using migadu.com for a while (nice reliable email hosting for 4$/mo). They even have a nice drawbacks page: https://www.migadu.com/en/drawbacks.html

Oh wow this is perfect, I've been wanting an email service that is priced exactly like this forever. Thank you so much for posting it! I have a lot of email/domain combinations and most places charge per domain which makes it super expensive super quick.

I think they offer the same but cheaper: https://www.infomaniak.com/en/hosting/e-mail

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by dmoy »

icebraining wrote: post #105
thinbeige wrote: post #66

PR. Nothing else. Who wants to pay with Bitcoin when Bitcoin is skyrocketing like crazy?

Why would you pay with dollars when you could buy Bitcoin with those dollars instead?

Two reasons:

1) Because I need to buy things with dollars to a) not starve, freeze, etc. b) not get thrown in jail for tax evasion

and

2) because I'm not comfortable with that level of investment risk, and prefer a more diversified approach of mutual funds, bonds, and real estate.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by dmoy »

DINKDINK wrote: post #83
thinbeige wrote: post #79

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Nobody does. And this is the problem with having no inflation. Every economy needs a slight inflation, otherwise people stop consuming, instead save all their money and it gets worse => deflation. Bitcoin equals gold, nobody uses Bitcoin to consume anything. I don't know which human behavior you refer to.

Your argument is: "Why would anyone spend any money if it's worth tomorrow?!" to support a pro-inflation argument The counterargument / parallel reality in an inflationary world is: "Why would anyone accept any money if it's worth less tomorrow?!" The only difference between the two paradigms is that in the later, the currency creators have the power and in the former, the currency owners have the power. It is no coi…

> Why would anyone accept any money if it's worth less tomorrow

I mean they sort of don't, in the case of rapid inflation. See e.g. Brazil decades ago, with payment delays abound all over.

But that's not what we're talking about for a healthy economy, with a relatively small steady inflation rate. Very different.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by unicornporn »

2ion wrote: post #131
Accacin wrote: post #85

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I've not seen anyone else talking about mailbox.org. I've been using them for a while after moving away from Fastmail and I'm loving it. Cheap and they're recommeded by https://www.privacytools.io/ .

Their service may be good enough but they are hardly investing enough into their product at the moment. mailbox.org is also not a core product of theirs. Just read through the forums (mostly in German); there are basic features/aspects missing you'd expect with a paid service nowadays like automated DKIM next to bug fixes needed around the web interface, which also can't compare to Fastmail's or Google's mail UI in t…

I actually ran mailbox and fastmail side by side before settling on mailbox. I think the UI is next to flawless. AFAIK they don't work on the UI themselves, they use https://www.open-xchange.com/

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by ihattendorf »

aioprisan wrote: post #138
ihattendorf wrote: post #118

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When they receive an email, they encrypt it with your public key. The private key is stored on their server encrypted with a passphrase only you know. Assuming they don't backdoor their client to find out your passphrase, or log emails as they receive them, you're fairly safe from having an employee browse through your emails.

Has anyone audited that system and implementation? If not, can you really trust that there's no backdoor?

No, and no. I don't actually use them, I just looked up their implementation. It also looks like I was downvoted for clarifying how they say their system works. Obviously open source doesn't absolve you from having to trust the company running the software.
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