Live data from Hacker News

Snap falls to IPO price

usatoday.com

141–150 of 253 posts

Re: Snap falls to IPO price

#141
post #140

Based on revenue and flat growth, the company is worth about $4 a share. If it get's to that price I'll think about buying in, if and only if i think the company is going to turn it around. I've made good money waiting for the time to be right before buying in. This stock is worthless above $8 a share.

Why not making money in the meantime going short?

Re: Snap falls to IPO price

#142
post #132
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's simply stating the obvious: rather than using a market-based mechanism for price discovery, they pick a price to sell at. For a bunch of people who are such big fans of markets, this looks really dubious. "Markets for thee, but not for me".

Isn't that how just about everything is sold? My box of Cheerios isn't auctioned off; they picked a price. They had several factors that went into picking that price, just like those that set up the IPOs have.

The pricing of Cheerios doesn't seem to suffer from the principle-agent problem, though. No one but consumers really 'wins' if cheerios are underpriced. And to my knowledge they don't continue to be traded once they're bought, either, so it's sort of apples to oranges.

Re: Snap falls to IPO price

#143
post #84
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you try to subscribe to the IPO? It was not hard at all. I'm an "average" investory with a standard Charles Schwab trading account and subscribed to it with a few clicks of my mouse. I imagine anyone else could with their brokerage. It was oversubscribed tho, so I got half the quantity I wanted and sold shortly after opening.

You got half you order filled at $17 with Schwab on opening day? Or it fills before market open?

Yes, half my order filled at $17. Happens right before the market opens, and is immediately ready to trade once the market opens.

Re: Snap falls to IPO price

#144
post #31

snapchat baffles me. It's just another instant messaging platform except that they came up with the idea of messages that delete themselves after a time period. The problem is that this killer feature is easily subverted by taking a picture of your screen. So basically, they have provided an instant messaging platform with one extra useless feature.

Snapchat is like Instagram in the sense that it helps keep you updated on what's going on in your social circle, except it's on a daily basis with an extra dose of "comical" photo filters. It's more of a photo sharing platform than instant messaging.

Re: Snap falls to IPO price

#145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the point is more about the marginal utility of wealth and what additional products and services $1.4 billion can buy relative to the $250+MM net worth they have now.

$250 million means I need to fundraise to build my spaceship. With $1.4 billion, I can get started on a Dyson sphere. Depends on your goals.

If you think you can completely encompass a star for quarter the price of an aircraft carrier, damn what's your secret? :)

Re: Snap falls to IPO price

#146
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook is >$200 per user.

From an investors standpoint, I view Facebook as four companies -Facebook, 2 billion MAU -Messenger, 1.2 billion MAU -WhatsApp, 1.2 billion MAU -Instagram, 700 million MAU Messenger, on its own, is easily a $50 billion company.

I'd like to hear what revenue (yet alone profit) Messenger has on its own that can justify a $50Bn price tag.

Re: Snap falls to IPO price

#147
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Well-established protocols" can result in IPO prices being systematically set too low. Yes, theoretically a bank should be able to break the ranks, but all they would get for their trouble is smaller profits, and a potential lawsuit from investors. After all, they did diverse from the "established accounting standards" when pushing the IPO price up.

> "Well-established protocols" can result in IPO prices being systematically set too low. Yes, theoretically a bank should be able to break the ranks, but all they would get for their trouble is smaller profits, and a potential lawsuit from investors. After all, they did diverse from the "established accounting standards" when pushing the IPO price up. Assuming a roughly competitive market with n players that do not…

Not sure how you'd get that (n+1) business off the ground. Even with the current happy-go-lucky funding climate, I don't see much success in pitching the idea. "We'll take on the giant incumbents, by accepting additional risk on behalf of our clients, in return of reduced profits".

I agree that there would be a solid market demand for this company. The same way there would be much demand for a telecom/isp that provides more speed at reduced price. Consumer demand isn't always the only thing needed for a business to succeed, despite what pg says.

Re: Snap falls to IPO price

#148
post #10

$17.00 was the IPO price but only for investors with access. Your average investor with an eTrade account saw a price of $24.00+ when the market opened that morning, and it hit almost $27.00 that day. So those folks have seen a 30%+ drop since IPO. Given that Snap paid out billions in IPO bonuses to executives and other employees, it's turned out to be a pretty big wealth transfer from retail investors to Snap employ…

The employee stock is still in lockup period, so they saw exactly no profits on this as of yet.

This article is taking about July 31 as the earliest lockup expiration, but not clear as to which class of stock this is for: "The perceived catalyst for an impending drop is a total of 1.2 billion fresh shares that will become available for sale after post-IPO lockups expire July 31 and Aug. 31" Source: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/snap-short-sellers-bet-on-a...

Re: Snap falls to IPO price

#149
REGISTRATION STARTED FOR HACKERS BASIC EXAM https://hackernucleus.com/registration-for-hbe/

HACKERS ARE USING THIS NEW ATTACK METHOD TO TARGET POWER COMPANIES https://hackernucleus.com/hackers-are-using-this-new-attack-...

BEST HACKING TOOLS OR SOFTWARE WITH EXPLANATION https://hackernucleus.com/best-hacking-tools-or-software-wit...

Re: Snap falls to IPO price

#150
post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$250 million means I need to fundraise to build my spaceship. With $1.4 billion, I can get started on a Dyson sphere. Depends on your goals.

If you think you can completely encompass a star for quarter the price of an aircraft carrier, damn what's your secret? :)

It's possible that aircraft carriers aren't purchased and constructed with cost as a factor. Or if it is, a higher cost may be considered a positive. ;-)
Post reply on HN