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Storing Drinking-Water in Copper Pots Kills Contaminating Bacteria (2012)

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Re: Storing Drinking-Water in Copper Pots Kills Contaminating Bacteria (2012)

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post #76

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Just as a PSA, lead in any quantity is toxic and particularly so for children. Copper, silver, and gold are in the same family of elements (group 11) and lead is in the carbon family. Very different characteristics. edit: I should also note (since bringing up families of elements) that - supporting your anecdote - silver has known and studied antimicrobial properties ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16766878 ).…

No kidding about the silver being co-opted by quacks. If "colloidal silver" is taken in any decent quantities, it'll turn you a little blue. This is a libertarian guy who's attempted to run for a couple of different positions in the USA: http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38297000/jpg/_38297733_bl...

I agree, quacks were already there and silver was just what some of them gravitated towards some of the time.

Turns out that non-ionic silver at concentrations of 10 to 30 ppm by weight in otherwise pure water of neutral pH will kill germs quite remarkably. Without the risk of argyria to any degree upon consuming at least a pint a day with regular sun exposure in addition.

As has been known for years, the depicted politician is suffering from consumption of an overdose of silver in general, likely orders of magnitude beyond the level needed for germkilling, and also likely to have been in ionic form. One big slug of poorly-crafted material created according to any number of questionable procedures could be enough to cause this type of permanent discoloration.

Probably not the kind of thing to try at home.

Although it is sometimes suspected that overdoses of ionic silver occurred often enough when cooking or serving acidic foods in sterling kitchenware over the centuries to royalty, that the term "bluebloods" was coined.

Also, there is some possibility the blueness used to represent some dieties in India gives a good idea of what a prototype royal figure might have looked like if too much silver was consumed intentionally or not.

OTOH, a true colloid crafted after decades of professional silver electrochemistry, of known concentration as measured by state-of-the-art laboratory techniques, can be considered almost like a completely different animal.

If I ever meet anyone with the guts to take it to clinical trials, I'll gladly supply the material.

All it takes is one physician single-handedly at the least, as long as nobody is in a hurry, it could be done in spare time like the process was invented, no deadlines. Simply the confidence to know you can accomplish what others do not dream of doing on their own.

Re: Storing Drinking-Water in Copper Pots Kills Contaminating Bacteria (2012)

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If I recall correctly, gold is extremely unreactive as far as metals go -- I'd imagine that it may just be more-or-less biochemically neutral. Edit: I may be dead wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organogold_chemistry

I think you're correct. Pure gold is extremely hard to dissolve or oxidize. There's three common methods, using a mercury amalgam(which is an alloying, so the gold is still unreacted), cyanide, or a mixture of hydrochloric and nitric acid called aqua regia.

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold#Toxicity, the gold ion is toxic, but there are no chemical processes known to occur in the human body that can solubilize metallic gold.

Re: Storing Drinking-Water in Copper Pots Kills Contaminating Bacteria (2012)

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post #123

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Just as a PSA, lead in any quantity is toxic and particularly so for children. Copper, silver, and gold are in the same family of elements (group 11) and lead is in the carbon family. Very different characteristics. edit: I should also note (since bringing up families of elements) that - supporting your anecdote - silver has known and studied antimicrobial properties ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16766878 ).…

Fun fact - tomatos were actually considered poisonous in parts of europe for a long time, since they have high acidity and leach toxins from lead plates http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/why-the-tomato-wa...

I find it hard to believe that the Europeans (Italians? English?) would have feared tomatoes because the acidity leached lead from pewter plates.

Several reasons:

1. Tomatoes have a high acidity, but many other foods (I mean, wine, for crying out loud! From ubiquitous pewter glasses!) would have had a higher acidity. Vinegar was commonly used in a variety of dishes.

2. Lead poisoning is not usually a sudden event that causes you to say "My god! Must have been the tomatoes!" If there even was a connection, it would have taken a large scale analysis that would have more strongly identified that "people who eat off of pewter tend to get these symptoms." After all, it wasn't just the wealthy eating tomatoes. It just makes no sense that they could have linked the two, especially after all of the incredibly blatant health hazards that hadn't been linked together.

3. Tomatoes are clearly a member of the nightshade family, and this was known in the 1700's. Although lots of great things come from the family (chili peppers, tobacco!) they're often not things to mess with, and might kill you. Potatoes also had a similarly bad reputation because of this. An over-cautious biologist and a little misinformation (or perhaps an early variety of tomato with too much solanine or something nasty in its leaves) seems a lot more likely than "lead poisoning"

4. The source that was linked to for this "fact" is a book on growing Heirloom tomatoes that has nothing to back this up at all, and is far from a "scholarly resource" Seems like a lot of irresponsible reporting.

Re: Storing Drinking-Water in Copper Pots Kills Contaminating Bacteria (2012)

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post #73

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>For rasam, it's tin, not lead. Could be, I was going by what I've heard from elders. They could have been wrong.

It is indeed tin, despite the name you heard (eeya-chatti, or eeya-pathiram I'm sure) from your elders. The Tamil word Eeyam has two overloaded meanings, one is tin/pewter, the other is lead. Unfortunately, "Eeyam" is almost always translated into "Lead".

I think you're right, thanks.
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