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Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by sjellis »

ddevault wrote: post #47

The switch to Linux or other free operating systems is long overdue. If your excuse is hardware support, then (1) your hardware is probably supported these days and (2) you should not buy hardware that is incompatible with the operating system you plan to use. If your excuse is editing MS Office files, LibreOffice supports the formats and works great, and MS Office on Wine is an option. If your excuse is games, then…

A lot of people who use a computer for work purposes have a number of software applications that they must be able to run reliably in order to do their job.

The problem is steadily getting better in some areas, but there are still thousands of specialist applications in service today that only run on Windows. If you are lucky, there may also be Mac versions.

The reality is that it's often not feasible to only run FOSS, and nothing but FOSS.

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by pjmlp »

flukus wrote: post #103
DonkeyChan wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't agree with this more. A client straight up failed a PCI compliance audit, replete with daily fines, for using 10 Enterprise. They decided to pursue legal measures against MS for false claims. I really hope this gets elevated because reverting to win 7 is a solution with a short life span. The other solution is to rebuild infrastructure on top of a different platform but that's prohibitively expensive.

> The other solution is to rebuild infrastructure on top of a different platform but that's prohibitively expensive. I really don't have a lot of sympathy for companies that lock themselves in to a proprietary platform.

Do you at least pay those that give you the free one?

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by hvidgaard »

posguy wrote: post #134
hobarrera wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't assume these sort of desktops would even run windows at all. A large BestBuy-like place here in Argentina has their sales terminals boot over PXE into some form of *nix straight to the sales systems with no real internet. A bank nearby boots the account executive's systems right into KDE, on some pretty locked machines. Windows 10 in any of those scenarios would be a laugh, I can't even being to think why…

Its depressingly popular in the US for small & mid-size retailers and businesses. NCR, Loc, IT Retail, et all are built for Windows, and in the pharmacy arena you've got major companies like CVS using stuff from companies like Integra (not the telecom company, the pharmacy one) that thinks moving to SQL Server 2008 and C# with a full rewrite is the route to go for their major PCI compliant products. It confounds me t…

In all fairness, writing in C# and targeting SQL Server is not locking you into Windows unless you use WPF or other Windows specific parts of the framework.

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by hvidgaard »

sathackr wrote: post #52
ddevault wrote: post #47

The switch to Linux or other free operating systems is long overdue. If your excuse is hardware support, then (1) your hardware is probably supported these days and (2) you should not buy hardware that is incompatible with the operating system you plan to use. If your excuse is editing MS Office files, LibreOffice supports the formats and works great, and MS Office on Wine is an option. If your excuse is games, then…

Been on Ubuntu for a bit over a year now. Steam works great, and LibreOffice has been good enough to get the job done. I run Google Earth Pro and Sketchup in Wine, even World of Warcraft runs quite well in Wine. I had a ton of issues with Wine until I found PlayOnLinux. Things still don't quite 'just work' -- but I've been able to use way more than I could before I found it. KSP and WoW are my two big games, and they…

Ironically, WoW on linux through wine runs better and with a significantly better latency compared to Windows.

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by quickben »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #19
DonkeyChan wrote: post #15

MS Support consistently and repeatedly told me that enterprise allowed me to disable this stuff. If I can't control the egress then I can't verify PCI compliance. I've already had to revert a client to Win 7 because they failed a PCI compliance audit using Win 10 Enterprise. Which, by the way, is very expensive for small businesses. Win 10 Enterprise isn't viable for business. I have a bunch of small business clients…

I don't think they do it on purpose. I think Windows is just a patchwork of cruft at this point. I'm sure the Enterprise version shares all the code with the non Enterprise versions which have all the spying ... analytics... enabled, so bugs are bound to happen that let this escape into the Enterprise version.

Multibillion corporations with tens of thousands of programmers don't do things randomly.

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by skrebbel »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #79
dingo_bat wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If your excuse is editing MS Office files, LibreOffice supports the formats and works For very small values of "works". I've found that even high school projects turn out to be a bit too much for libre office.

Well, my definition of "works" is that you can read it. Authoring new documents should use ODF. And again, MS Office works on Wine, so you can use that in the worst case.

You're really undermining your own argument here, even though you started out very well.

If I send an ODF to my lawyer, investor or accountant they're going to panic.

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by quickben »

dingo_bat wrote: post #72
ddevault wrote: post #47

The switch to Linux or other free operating systems is long overdue. If your excuse is hardware support, then (1) your hardware is probably supported these days and (2) you should not buy hardware that is incompatible with the operating system you plan to use. If your excuse is editing MS Office files, LibreOffice supports the formats and works great, and MS Office on Wine is an option. If your excuse is games, then…

> If your excuse is editing MS Office files, LibreOffice supports the formats and works For very small values of "works". I've found that even high school projects turn out to be a bit too much for libre office.

Interesting, I found the opposite. My MS office doesn't even have 'export to PDF' and Libre has it.

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by skrebbel »

int_19h wrote: post #118
ddevault wrote: post #47

The switch to Linux or other free operating systems is long overdue. If your excuse is hardware support, then (1) your hardware is probably supported these days and (2) you should not buy hardware that is incompatible with the operating system you plan to use. If your excuse is editing MS Office files, LibreOffice supports the formats and works great, and MS Office on Wine is an option. If your excuse is games, then…

You're making the same exact argument that people trying to push Linux on the desktop were making 10 years ago, and 15 years (and probably before that, it's just that's when I started dabbling in that stuff). It boils down to "it works for me, and if it doesn't work for you because of X, Y and Z, then you should just stop doing that". You can judge for yourself just how persuasive this argument really is by looking a…

The argument is the same, but Linux desktops did get a lot better, and with better support, since then. There's now multiple distros with great UX to choose from (as opposed to "learn xfree86 and stop whining") and indeed Wine works great with lots of programs.

I say this as an avid Windows 10 user. IMHO there's still a usability gap (which is why I'm on Windows), but it's narrowing. GP's argument has a lot more merit now than it did 15 years ago.

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by tjalfi »

m8urn wrote: post #120
tjalfi wrote: post #36

The connections in the first screenshot[0] aren't necessarily from Microsoft. This screenshot shows a DNS lookup for google-analytics.com followed by an attempt to use Teredo. If Chrome is installed then this could be from the Google Update service. It seems unlikely that Microsoft would send usage information to a Google site. [0] https://twitter.com/m8urnett/status/866353982217699328 Edited to omit needless words

Here is the list of installed applications: http://imgur.com/a/mdrTv Also note that the only third-party software running at the time was wireshark, DNSQuerySniffer, and Glasswire.

Interesting, have you tried configuring Process Monitor to log all network traffic?

Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings

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Post by hvidgaard »

int_19h wrote: post #121
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really my thing, but Plasma seems like a really solid desktop. What are your complaints with it? And I'll raise this point again: >You and people like you are the reason that it's not as good as it could be. I use Linux as my daily driver and it works extremely well. But if you continue to let it languish with a small market share because you can't be bothered to troubleshoot it for 10 minutes or maybe live…

> Using proprietary operating systems because Linux isn't there yet is a great way to keep Linux from getting there. It's a chicken and egg problem. What would you prefer: getting your privacy thourougly invaded by a proprietary operating system, or being there to help Linux gain market share and tip the scales? Even if it's not perfect, it's more than enough, and supporting it is the best choice. The vast majority o…

I used to study with a guy that openly said "Linux is only free if your time has no value". I've tried Linux so many times, and my longest streak was when having a VMWare Workstaion to run Windows in it. Eventually, I just got fed up.

First and foremost, I need my systems to just WORK. When I sit down to code, the last thing I want to do is debug why it is not properly displaying on all of my monitors.

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