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Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by pishpash »

xemoka wrote: post #31

This excites me. I work with a lot of geospatial industry tools, many mobile tools are still based on old window CE/pocket PC/windows mobile platforms; I hope to see these snapdragon devices overtake this area. Mobile data collection tools on iOS and android devices are rather poor (at least open source ones), hopefully this will help solve this problem—we'll just be able to use windows applications that work and are…

It's not your bias. The Windows ecosystem has always been pretty good for developers. If it weren't for the ten-year Ballmer purgatory, MS would have been all over this space, where little iOS and Android toys still haven't hit puberty. Reinventing the wheel has been an overall giant waste of time for the industry.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by pishpash »

archagon wrote: post #120
mohamedattahri wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're definitely going in the direction of the walled garden strategy, but it's not necessarily a bad thing. For the vast majority of users, computers are safer with walled gardens. For the more advanced users, developers can always offer their apps through a different distribution channel. In the case of Windows in particular, it's a chance to leave the installation wizards, the registry and the DLL hell behind an…

World-changing technologies like p2p filesharing, bitcoin, app stores, and even the web itself wouldn't have taken off if most personal computers were walled gardens. What future innovations will never even be given a chance at life? Will we have to depend on the big corporate players to move computing forward?

There is always Loonix and neckbeards.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by snuxoll »

archagon wrote: post #120
mohamedattahri wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're definitely going in the direction of the walled garden strategy, but it's not necessarily a bad thing. For the vast majority of users, computers are safer with walled gardens. For the more advanced users, developers can always offer their apps through a different distribution channel. In the case of Windows in particular, it's a chance to leave the installation wizards, the registry and the DLL hell behind an…

World-changing technologies like p2p filesharing, bitcoin, app stores, and even the web itself wouldn't have taken off if most personal computers were walled gardens. What future innovations will never even be given a chance at life? Will we have to depend on the big corporate players to move computing forward?

Centennial (read, non-UWP) apps can be published to the Windows Store and don't get any sandboxing beyond registry virtualization by default. Microsoft lives and dies by backwards compatibility, they're not going to kill off Win32 - they may very well push for the Windows Store to be the primary source for applications with traditional installers being blocked by default though.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by angryteabag »

fnord123 wrote: post #125

They are doing this because they want the benefits of great ARM battery life. But they are emulating x86 on ARM. So they believe that emulated x86 on ARM will have a better battery life than native x86. The only way I think this could be possible is if they measure battery life of an idle device. Maybe someone can disabuse me of this belief.

Might be costly to emulate x86 - negating the power-saving benefits of ARM, however as it'll be using an SOC, they would have a lower physical presence.

Imagine the motherboard on your phone, but in your laptop. The rest of the space would be used for batteries.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by oridecon »

randyrand wrote: post #131
oridecon wrote: post #127

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For me it's way shittier to have an insecure phone. I would even install a Clippy launcher on Android if I could have the latest security and feature updates the same day that they are released (without changing phones every year or using custom ROMs).

Those are not the only 2 alternatives. For instance, iOS has neither of these problems.

You're right, unfortunately for my use case and taste iOS just doesn't work.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by cm2187 »

kyriakos wrote: post #28
daburninatorrr wrote: post #5

Man, that League of Legends desktop icon on the test machine is such a tease. I would love to know what the status of x86 gaming on ARM devices would be, especially for something competitive that runs on most anything like LoL

They already shown LoL and Photoshop running on ARM a few months ago in a demo video. Google it :)

But wasn't it with hardware emulation?

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by midnitewarrior »

asveikau wrote: post #109

Emulation should be a last resort. They should ship an SDK with all the proper import libs and a cl.exe etc. that can target proper Win32 on ARM.

Microsoft appears to have apps that are native to ARM, but the real value of the Windows ecosystem is all the Win32 apps that have been built over the last 2 decades. The emulation layer addresses that so that "it just works" with old apps.

I assume they will be releasing a build configuration for native ARM software deployment on Windows.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by ReverseCold »

tracker1 wrote: post #107
tuxidomasx wrote: post #87

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I've always been kind of bummed out that Hyper-V is disabled on the OS layer for basic Windows versions, even if the hardware supports it.

They have to justify the extra price somehow... I don't blame them too much, odds are you are a "pro" user if you want/need Hyper-V. I really like Hyper-V (except the network weirdness no occasion).

If only they'd add GPU passthrough on non server Windows editions...

At the very least make it a pro feature.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by fsiefken »

pjc50 wrote: post #76
MrMember wrote: post #64

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A phone form factor device that can run a full desktop OS, or something close to it. Canonical was getting close with Ubuntu Touch but that's essentially dead now. I don't want a gimped version of Windows like I'd get with Continuum, I don't want a "desktop-like" version of Android like Samsung is doing, I want a full version of Linux or Windows that can run desktop applications.

How small do you want it? The Linx tablets do this but the smallest is 7".

you could do small android phones, install trinux or linux deploy on it, access X through VNC or X on Android - output or cast to display through wifi or cable

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by ChuckMcM »

Really interesting.

I can see a potential milestone Windows 10 S on an Arm V8 based laptop with all day battery+. Sort of a Surface RT but without any excuses.

If Apple follows suit and creates a light weight, network centric laptop experience around iOS, then you'll have three contenders for the 'appliance' environment, ChromeOS, Windows 10 S, and iOS. Each with their own 'laptop' design ethic, Pixel, Surface, MacBook.

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