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Re: Amazon Echo Look

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post #87

There's a lot of negativity here. And maybe all of you are right. But it would be interesting to think of the most positive , imaginary scenario: 1. Amazon builds the service such that brands loose their power. All the negative psych/social phenomena of brand culture are gone, and with it, btw , all the ads. 2. High security + physical on and off switch make for an improved privacy situation , especially if you consi…

The reason why Amazon and more people don't do these things is because they are hard and success breeds expectations that can only hurt you.

It's much cheaper and safer to build a politically neutral brand without expectations of some kind feminist message / worldview. If you go that route, it isn't going to sell more clothes but, it will invite people's hyper-sensitivity about every aspect of the product. You can only lose in that scenario, you aren't winning anything.

Also, it's creepy that we replacing a task that friends used to do, (fashion / styling / taste advice) with a corporate cloud algorithm? Seriously, just get some friends that like fashion and ask them to rate your style. I guess it's a bit needy to ask them every morning but, then I suspect that most people don't have that many clothes and that many possible looks. Also, looking good is zero sum game. Ultimately, you just competing for the same pool of attention from your friends. If you are successful and soak it all up with your great Amazon(TM) fashion advice, then your friends will soon have it too and then you are back to where you started but, now you have this dependance on the kind of friend who gives you great advice (that you need to just look decent now, not better than average like before) except it keeps encouraging you to buy more fashionable (and thus more expensive) clothes. It's kinda a shitty friend at that point.

Re: Amazon Echo Look

#142
post #7

> Style Check keeps your look on point using advanced machine learning algorithms and advice from fashion specialists. Submit two photos for a second opinion on which outfit looks best on you based on fit, color, styling, and current trends. Taking narcissism, insecurity, and invasion of privacy to the next level. Well done, Amazon! Now that we're replacing mirrors with cameras, what's next? Covering our windows with…

Caring that your clothes look good is narcissism (excessive interest in your appearance) now? Have you ever asked a friend if they like the suit you just bought? Do you go to work in a burlap sack? Knowingly and willingly sending people photos of yourself is an "invasion" of privacy?

> Caring that your clothes look good is narcissism (excessive interest in your appearance) now?

As if caring is a binary thing and not a matter of degree? When you pay $200 to have "fashion experts" (or AI) judge your outfits on a daily basis, have you not crossed a line?

> Knowingly and willingly sending people photos of yourself is an "invasion" of privacy?

Yes, I'm sure this won't be used to collect all kinds of personal data for marketing purposes.

/s

Re: Amazon Echo Look

#143
Can this device be used for hands-free video conference?

Also can you use it for home monitoring ? Like a baby cam

Re: Amazon Echo Look

#144

Reading the comments here, all I can hear is: "No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame." My wife's reaction: "That looks pretty neat. I wonder how well the styling advice part works, but the camera is cool. Fashion bloggers would probably really like it. There are so many people that do a “outfit of the day” type thing"

This device and use-case are fine and fulfill a real need. The hidden cost of using it is moving the overton window on privacy another notch closer to "panopticon".

I wonder what will be the limit for users?

Re: Amazon Echo Look

#146
This plus their fast fashion manufacturing lets amazon end-to-end take over fashion. Get clothing recs, have it delivered tomorrow.

Will be interesting to see if it sticks.

Re: Amazon Echo Look

#147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, i love all these tools, i just don't want them to have any form of internet access. It's why i'm building my home cloud and automation system, but only doing so if the devices don't leave my firewall. I enjoy the tech, i enjoy the complication (to a degree) , it's fun gadget stuff, it's nifty. However i do not trust them to keep my information safe, even if i trusted them to not misuse it themselves (which i…

There's a much more immediately practical reason to keep it in-firewall as well: if the utility company accidentally cuts a fiber line outside my house, I don't want to be suddenly unable to turn off my hallway light.

Maybe building codes could spec that home automation devices must have local controls.

The companies aren't going to do it without regulation.

Re: Amazon Echo Look

#148
A great many thinkpieces will be written about this, but let me beat someone to the punch:

Foucault's Panopticism is the obvious tie-in. Usually when we talk about the Panopticon in the modern era, we're talking about mass surveillance or the performative act of social media. When we act in a certain (digital) way, posting this link, for example, we signal our values to the community. "You shall be known by your works". However, this kind of technology makes for an even more interesting and more troubling application of the Panopticon.

Foucault says that the group eventually becomes its own control system without the need for the central observers, that we are all at the center of our own panopticons. We watch others unfailingly, assessing their actions and putting them back in line when they stray. As we are socialized, we become more entrenched in our system of values: wear makeup, don't get fat, don't smell like cigs, don't wear stripes and plaid, and for god's sake: don't look like you're trying to hard to conform to all of this. We are both observer and observed, traversing endless nets of social expectations.

Now, instead of your peer group enforcing social expectations, we have got machines in on it! The result is something blatantly dystopian - a system that will correct you in your home before you dare venture out looking like that and embarrass yourself in front of the others. As it learns, it will learn even more that we value large breasts (but also modesty), pale skin, sleek clothes on slim waists, bodies with bulbous lips and thighs and pastel face paints. It will advise those without a perfect body to get one, and it sure as hell will provide the means by which to do so: consumption. New makeup, new tights, new corsets that you can clamp so tight it'll squeeze you into a form the camera will approve, new ways to take selfies every day to show your followers that you care enough to buy this piece of surveillance equipment so that you can "look good" without those pricey fashion magazines and stupid blogs!

Re: Amazon Echo Look

#149
post #11

I'm not normally one to be creeped out by these kind of things. But this is a device that's designed to take photos and videos of you while you get dressed, and will be both connected to the internet and constantly communicating those images over the network. This feels like a device literature professors would use to teach dystopian fiction writing. edit: case in point - matthewmcg's comment https://news.ycombinator…

I for one am looking forward to Fapening 3.0

Please consider trying to respect the privacy of people, even when the internet doesn't.

Re: Amazon Echo Look

#150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not usually recording you while you are changing.

How do you know? Amazon says their camera only records you when you ask it to, if you don't trust them, then how do you trust that your cellphone or laptop isn't recording you illicitly?

The point is that one doesn't usually purposefully keep our cameras directly pointed at us when we're changing clothes. Cellphones in particular are usually pointed at the table directly under them. Laptops are often more risky, which is why these exist: https://supporters.eff.org/shop/laptop-camera-cover-set
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