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Nginx reaches 33.3% web server market share while Apache falls below 50%

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Re: Nginx reaches 33.3% web server market share while Apache falls below 50%

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Post by GlennS »

CalRobert wrote: post #57
jimjag wrote: post #31

How much of nginx's growth is, do you think, due to it being "better" than Apache httpd (which it isn't, BTW. Apache 2.4 is easily as fast and scalable as nginx), compared to either (1) The aggressive sales and marketing of NGINX the company or (2) nginx fronting Apache httpd and thus "hiding" the growth of Apache httpd usage. But there are lots of Apache httpd haters, for some reason, and so they LOVE promoting the…

I started needing to configure web stuff about 6 or 7 years ago. At the time, I could use nginx or Apache. I spent a bit of time (maybe 20 minutes) with Apache since I'd heard of it, thought "Ugh this is a pain and I just want to move on to the fun parts of this project and not banal config details", and then tried nginx. It was much easier, and I've never bothered to learn Apache. To be honest I've kind of assumed i…

I've had the experience in the reverse order, but with the same conclusion.

First lot of web server configuration I had to do was Tomcat. After that, IIS 6 through to 8.

Compared to any of those those, writing Apache httpd config actually seems pretty straightforward.

But yeah, Nginx is a lot plainer and I pick it most of the time. Usual time when I don't is if deploying someone else's software with complicated rules and don't have the time to port them.

Damn Tomcat config is godawful gibberish. Seems to be a running theme in Javaland.

Re: Nginx reaches 33.3% web server market share while Apache falls below 50%

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Post by Zachery »

developer2 wrote: post #122
pram wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably a lot of mod_* uses like PHP applications that haven't been migrated to php-fpm or something, and JBoss/Tomcat/Websphere/Weblogic websites. You of course can just proxy all of these things with nginx, but it's probably not worth it for most companies.

PHP is definitely a huge chunk of the reason why nginx has taken over Apache. php-fpm with nginx is the defacto standard , and PHP is far more prevalent than a lot of people think. Apache's mod_php(X) vs. nginx+php-fpm isn't even a debate. If someone is currently using Apache+mod_php, they probably have a smaller product that will eventually have to switch to nginx+fpm in order to scale. While I imagine PHP is the si…

I'm probably about 2 years out of being bleeding edge, but php-fpm&nginx are far from defacto standard. At least when you look at how the web is being served at large, looking at cPanel/WHM.

I don't believe cPanel/WHM even supports nginx yet as a standard option.

Re: Nginx reaches 33.3% web server market share while Apache falls below 50%

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Post by Something1234 »

user5994461 wrote: post #114
smsm42 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not many people do it just for fun. Stopping people from doing what they need to achieve job being done is usually not the most productive idea.

There are very few justified usages that require to write maze of rewrite rules. Most people do it because they have no idea what they are doing and they never decided on a naming convention for their apps and domains.

What are some justified uses of rewrite rules?

Re: Nginx reaches 33.3% web server market share while Apache falls below 50%

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Post by sokerpart »

jimjag wrote: post #71

nginx is creating a name and market for itself as a reverse proxy, even though there are better solutions for reverse-proxies out there, everything from HAProxy to Apache Traffic Server to even Apache httpd. But this is an important market to have. Why? Because it allows for the perception that the "web runs on nginx" simply because all you see are the nginx web proxies and nothing behind that. So what are the server…

You forgot to mention, that you're Jim Jagielski, the director of The Apache Software Foundation, who carefully monitors nginx news and never miss an opportunity to say something bad about it.

Haters gonna hate.

Re: Nginx reaches 33.3% web server market share while Apache falls below 50%

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Post by sokerpart »

jimjag wrote: post #31

How much of nginx's growth is, do you think, due to it being "better" than Apache httpd (which it isn't, BTW. Apache 2.4 is easily as fast and scalable as nginx), compared to either (1) The aggressive sales and marketing of NGINX the company or (2) nginx fronting Apache httpd and thus "hiding" the growth of Apache httpd usage. But there are lots of Apache httpd haters, for some reason, and so they LOVE promoting the…

You forgot to mention, that you're Jim Jagielski, the director of The Apache Software Foundation, who carefully monitors nginx news and never miss an opportunity to say something bad about it.

Haters gonna hate, right?

Re: Nginx reaches 33.3% web server market share while Apache falls below 50%

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Post by adrianratnapala »

smsm42 wrote: post #107
user5994461 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A good reason to use nginx (or better HAProxy), is to stop people from writing endless mess of redirect and rewrite rules.

Not many people do it just for fun. Stopping people from doing what they need to achieve job being done is usually not the most productive idea.

What people need to do to get their job done is very, very, frequently to work around an existing mess with new hacks that make the mess even harder to clean up. And if that's what they need to do, then they should do it.

But we should also ask ourselves how to get into such messes less often. That is, how to systematically reduce the number of early-stage design errors. One trick is to choose tools that forbid known anti-patterns.

That means the designers must work harder up-front to figure out a system that can do without the work-arounds. But that is a feature, not a bug; indeed that is what our processes should try to achieve.

Re: Nginx reaches 33.3% web server market share while Apache falls below 50%

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Post by btb »

diminoten wrote: post #108
jimjag wrote: post #71

nginx is creating a name and market for itself as a reverse proxy, even though there are better solutions for reverse-proxies out there, everything from HAProxy to Apache Traffic Server to even Apache httpd. But this is an important market to have. Why? Because it allows for the perception that the "web runs on nginx" simply because all you see are the nginx web proxies and nothing behind that. So what are the server…

To summarize your point (and correct me if I'm mistaken), Apache httpd is legacy that people don't seem to want to make the effort to move off of, but still want the benefits of nginx, so they'll stand up nginx in front of httpd, rather than migrate off of Apache (and update their platforms to support that). I feel the "marketing" concept is less actual marketing and more feature appeal, but I guess that's similar? M…

Apache httpd "legacy"? Seems a bit exaggerated. As far as I can tell it works just fine, have plenty of very good tutorials(like those from digital ocean), performance wise no problems(at least for our usage). And seems simpler to setup.

At my work we use IIS for our main website, but I've been asked to setup and configure a few wordpress installations. I've played around with both nginx and apache, but it was much easier to find clear instructions to setup wordpress on apache, so thats what I went with. I also really like apaches .htaccess support. Easy to lock down access to wp-admin by just dropping a .htaccess file in there restricting access to local ip range, instead of having to pollute the nginx config file with that sort of thing.

Re: Nginx reaches 33.3% web server market share while Apache falls below 50%

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Post by tyingq »

p49k wrote: post #30

This is kind of a weird statistic to try to analyze. So many uses of nginx are just the act of putting an Apache/IIS/etc site behind nginx, so technically, both servers still have market share but you only see nginx. It's just that nginx makes it so easy to do certain things, like supporting modern HTTPS, that you might as well add it to your stack rather than replace something.

It's also probably undercounting Nginx, because Cloudflare uses Nginx, but returns the headers for whatever it's proxied to.
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