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Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by netzone »

Retric wrote: post #51
mtgx wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion, Apple started losing its way when it started caring more about "fashion", which is not necessarily the same as (and it's often the opposite of) good design .

The hardware has mostly stalled out. A great CPU from 3 years ago is still more powerful than what most people are buying today. RAM and SSD space is plentiful enough to be a non issue for most people. Battery progress is steady but very slow. So, what's left to base a new laptop on GPU?

They could go the desktop CPU route, although that's likely not an option for Apple since that would require them to either use extreme throttling or beef up the cooling (meaning louder fans and probably a thicker case)

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by H1Supreme »

sjwright wrote: post #98
Tepix wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A new Mac Pro that can be upgraded by the user is great news for the Hackintosh community as well. There will be more drivers for more components.

My impossible dream is that Apple would simply release a microATX motherboard containing all of the "Mac goodness" and bundled with a license for macOS.

Or just sell a copy of the OS, and write a few drivers.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by H1Supreme »

jvzr wrote: post #20
classybull wrote: post #9

The world would be better served by Apple getting out of the hardware business and just selling OSX, allowing it to run on any x86 architecture without all of the Hackintosh bull. I don't understand who these people are that are spending a 50% premium on components that are two to three years old. I use a MBP regularly, but only because my work buys them.

macOS would suck if it ran on every kind of hardware. It's because it's all so tightly controlled that it works so great. Windows is not inherently bad. But the premise of it working everywhere means some trade-offs are made. Same for Android.

Mac OS already runs on lots of different hardware. Just look at the list of compatible hardware for building a Hackintosh. Graphics cards aside, there's a lot of compatible components.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by brandur »

markdog12 wrote: post #81

> One of the good things, hopefully, with Apple through the years has been a willingness to say when something isn’t quite what we wanted it do be, didn’t live up to expectations, to not be afraid to admit it and look for the next answer. Not sure Apple fits the description here.

Yep. What a silly thing for them to say as long as the Touch Bar exists.

But seriously, Apple has a history much closer to the opposite of that. Never admit fault. If something really isn't working, pretend that it is right up until a replacement is launched. Just like PowerPC to Intel. Just like the Mac Pro until today. Just like the Apple Watch and Touch Bar (admittedly these last two are a little more speculative on my part, but I think it'll happen).

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by DoofusOfDeath »

SippinLean wrote: post #138

I understand the consumer market for, say pre-built Dell desktops with an i3 you get your mom for surfing the web. What graphics professional isn't assembling their own rig though? $3k is a LOT of money to spend on a desktop. I'm old enough to remember dedicated SGI workstations, and a decade ago I felt OSX had some advantages in graphics, I can't think of any of those that exist today, at least to justify such a hug…

My wife has a photography business. Photoshop and Lightroom are essential tools for her.

Right now she uses Windows 7 Pro. We can't stay on it long-term because of security (and eventually driver) issues.

Migrating to Windows 10 (non-enterprise) isn't an option because the forced updates are an unacceptable risk to downtime, especially at certain points in her business calendar (e.g., highschool yearbook photo season).

We may end up migrating to a new Mac Pro, but it won't be because the hardware is awesome. Truth be told, it will likely be overkill for her needs, and definitely overpriced.

We'd migrate her business to a Mac Pro because OS X doesn't have Windows 10's problems, and because we can probably recover from a hardware failure quickly due to the system's expected modularity.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by TwoNineA »

jlgaddis wrote: post #5

For me -- and, I suspect, many others -- this is too little too late. Just a few months ago, I spent somewhere around $4500 (all-in) putting together a new workstation. It runs Linux instead of OS X and this has led to me using my (4-year-old) ThinkPad more than my (18-month-old) MacBook Pro (when I'm "on the go"). I actually plan on selling the MBP; I just haven't gotten around to it yet. I'm sure this is great news…

Same for me. Built my first PC in ages, 8 core Ryzen, 32 Gigs of RAM, NVME SSD, 1060 GTX, all below 2000$. Running Ubuntu on it for now, works very well.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by cryptarch »

jacquesm wrote: post #134
manyxcxi wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll second that. I've had very good luck with my conversion on my old MBP so far. I have a late 2009 kicking around the house, basically a web browsing computer or backup machine if I leave my newer model in the office, etc. Since I couldn't get the latest macOS on it I figured I'd just wipe it and install a Linux distro- all told I was maybe an hour into the process and had Ubuntu 16.10 running like a champ. The bu…

Lubuntu desktop may be more to your liking, it's very simple (almost spartan).

I'd recommend Xubuntu (XFCE instead of LXDE) instead, because LXDE is more buggy, less polished and not much lighter than XFCE.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by chx »

granda wrote: post #21
buserror wrote: post #13

Gave up on the mac pro years ago. I replaced my unkillable 2008 Mac pro with a lovely Fractal Design R5 case, a stonking 5930k overclocked at 4.5Gz on a 'posh' ASUS Mobo with 64GB of DDR. It's a 'hackintosh', sure enough, but it's fantastic. First time in 30 years I don't own a mac, that's telling. Their fault, too.

Where do you recommend for someone that wants to build one?

The truth is that the best hackintosh is Niresh but since it's even more illegal than Unibeast and such it's banned from the tonymacx86 forum and /r/hackintosh/ both.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by nik736 »

touart wrote: post #69
mcone wrote: post #32

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The TonyMac community has some great resources, including guides to the hardware: https://www.tonymacx86.com/buyersguide/march/2017 There was also a great hackintosh discussion on HN a couple days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13901752

Their utilities (Multibeast, Unibeast, Kextbeast...) are well-though and easy to use, but it worth noting that Tonymacx86 doesn't have any plans to open source them -- you have to trust him (no one seems to know his real name, mostly for legal reasons related to Apple I think) to execute binaries with root rights on your fresh OS, or go the Vanilla (and harder) way.

That's true and it's probably a bad idea, but I never had any problems with that. And I am using my second hackintosh in 5 years now without problems.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by martinald »

Retric wrote: post #51
mtgx wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion, Apple started losing its way when it started caring more about "fashion", which is not necessarily the same as (and it's often the opposite of) good design .

The hardware has mostly stalled out. A great CPU from 3 years ago is still more powerful than what most people are buying today. RAM and SSD space is plentiful enough to be a non issue for most people. Battery progress is steady but very slow. So, what's left to base a new laptop on GPU?

Storage? Nearly everyone I know who has a MBP is 100% on it all the time on disk. Understand apple makes a load on the SSD upgrades, but seriously increasing base storage would be enough for a bit.
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