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Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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Neither by themselves, but when combined... I read somewhere that when they want to fatten up lab mice they feed them a mixture of 70% sugar and 30% fat or something similar. When you make something much more delicious and available than what appears in nature, it screws with an animal's energy balance signals.

Mice aren't people. Sugar affects them way differently than us. That's how the whole sugar phobia started and the myth is still being repeated, day after day. Sad.

Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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post #17
post #10

Neither by themselves, but when combined... I read somewhere that when they want to fatten up lab mice they feed them a mixture of 70% sugar and 30% fat or something similar. When you make something much more delicious and available than what appears in nature, it screws with an animal's energy balance signals.

Very true, when combined they are horrible. But disagree with "neither". Sugar is really bad by itself, it isn't an "empty calorie" at all, it spikes insulin and will rot your teeth.

Beef spikes insulin more than table sugar.

Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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At this point I am quite cynical about any claim that you can get healthier with a specific diet. I can guarantee you that my cyanide and toxic metal diet will make you less healthy but knowing that one thing is true does not automatically mean that you know that another thing is true. Exercise will make most people healthier in general, particularly stuff associated with your cardiovascular system. We know that. Tha…

As a single guy that checks out girls a lot, I can verify that exercise makes you hotter, if not better looking.

Yes, it may be true that healthier people are more likely to exercise exactly because they are already healthy, but I would imagine that is true in less that 1% of the population.

Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

#144
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Actually, it's pretty hard to eat a whole day's worth of calories in a single meal. I know this because I've tried to, regularly, as part of a longer attempt to gain weight. If you're ordering at McDonald's, your best calorie/dollar ratio [edit: s/your best/my preferred] is the ~800 calorie double quarter pounder with cheese for ~6 dollars. My daily caloric requirements are estimated at 3000 calories based on my age…

I find it far easier to consume vast amounts of calories when I'm eating straight carbs as opposed to foods with more balanced macronutrient compositions, such as cheeseburgers. The fat and protein would fill me right up. I find it pretty easy to eat a whole bag of chips (1500ish kcal) and a bottle of soda (250ish kcal) in one sitting, but I likely wouldn't feel too well an hour or two afterward. Same goes for candy,…

Can people please stop the myth of it being hard to get enough protein on a vegan diet? It's easy. Check out the protein values of beans, nuts and lentils. There are incredible athletes on a vegan diet.

Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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At this point I am quite cynical about any claim that you can get healthier with a specific diet. I can guarantee you that my cyanide and toxic metal diet will make you less healthy but knowing that one thing is true does not automatically mean that you know that another thing is true. Exercise will make most people healthier in general, particularly stuff associated with your cardiovascular system. We know that. Tha…

As a single guy that checks out girls a lot, I can verify that exercise makes you hotter, if not better looking. Yes, it may be true that healthier people are more likely to exercise exactly because they are already healthy, but I would imagine that is true in less that 1% of the population.

I don't know, man. If you're trying to make a serious point about health, do you have to cite your expertise as an ogler of women? It sounds like you're trying to allude to something we're all supposed to know, that people past a certain percentage of body fat are all inactive and lazy.

Maybe what you meant was that, all things being equal, someone who is strong and healthy is more attractive. That's probably true.

But as upofadown pointed out, there are lots of people who are very healthy and strong, and exercise a lot, but their body shape or fat percentage doesn't conform to the desires of the average voyeur.

Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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post #51

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When I started doing intermittent fasting I also started eating lots of walnuts, and I can say my craving for sugar went way, way down. I haven't had sugar once since I started IF (> 30 days).

I haven't had sugar once since I started IF Does that mean you haven't included sugar in your foods yourself, or you've managed to avoid eating any prepared food since you started? Practically all prepared foods contain sugar, though they might not call it that in the ingredients list. When next you go boy chicken or turkey, read the list of ingredients. I'm talking about the raw forms, not the already cooked ones. I…

I eat mostly food prepared by my SO. You're right, a lot of packaged foods contain sugar. When I eat those, I look at the label and usually avoid them.

For me, the big change was desserts. I was a fiend for those. I've tried a lot of things to ween myself from eating and binging on sugary treats. I wasn't expecting IF to be the thing that worked. That was totally unexpected.

Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a single guy that checks out girls a lot, I can verify that exercise makes you hotter, if not better looking. Yes, it may be true that healthier people are more likely to exercise exactly because they are already healthy, but I would imagine that is true in less that 1% of the population.

I don't know, man. If you're trying to make a serious point about health, do you have to cite your expertise as an ogler of women? It sounds like you're trying to allude to something we're all supposed to know, that people past a certain percentage of body fat are all inactive and lazy. Maybe what you meant was that, all things being equal, someone who is strong and healthy is more attractive. That's probably true. B…

> If you're trying to make a serious point about health

Not trying to make a serious point about health.

> do you have to cite your expertise as an ogler of women

You are misappropriating my comment.

Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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post #10

Neither by themselves, but when combined... I read somewhere that when they want to fatten up lab mice they feed them a mixture of 70% sugar and 30% fat or something similar. When you make something much more delicious and available than what appears in nature, it screws with an animal's energy balance signals.

This. Sugar and simple or highly processed carbs cause your body to release insulin in order to regulate blood sugar. Insulin switches off any fat burning and tells the body to store fat. Whenever your diet consists of carbs and fat nutrients, the fat is going to be immediately stored in your fatty tissues, and any excess carbs that you can't burn quickly will go there also.

Nope, totally wrong. Sugar does NOT easily metabolized into fat in humans. It does in animals, which is why we feed them lots of carbs. Please learn how de novo lipogenesis works in humans, because you're just repeating a falsehood now. The sugar doesn't get stored, but it does keep fat from being burned, hence the false blame.

Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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all things in moderation. not too much sugar. not too much fat. not too much food. eat more green veges. not too much carbon/charcoal. avoid processed stuff. but most important: don't tell anyone else. If everybody does it then the food industry will insidiously alter itself to pull people back in while finding a way to make good things bad.

This is such vague, banal advice that it is useless. Suggest looking at peer reviewed papers when deciding what to eat. See http://nutritionfacts.org

Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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These twins also did one on Alcohol (Casual but Consistent vs Binging) which was pretty interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05wdfhk

The episode isn't currently available, do you know what was the outcome of the experiment?

There's always this method: https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/11952358/BBC.Horizon.2015.I...
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