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New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by mehaveaccount »

mikeash wrote: post #134
mehaveaccount wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How sad that arguing virtue for its own sake is now politically incorrect.

Argue it all you want, just don't try to force it. If you're going to argue for sexual restraint but want to let people make their own decisions on it, you're going to have to work really hard to distance yourself from e.g. the people who fight against the HPV vaccine because they're more concerned with premarital sex than with cervical cancer. It's really rare to find anyone who merely wants to argue for it. Most ei…

Because morals are a good thing. Isn't it funny how all the real religions came to the same conclusion on all the controversial issues of our day.

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by tlb »

YCode wrote: post #111
gum_ina_package wrote: post #110

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Sure society hasn't collapsed, but we've lost a lot all in the name of "progress".

What all have we lost due to birth control?

Before birth control, it was an accomplishment one could be proud of to have children at the right time. It required stable relationships and self-control. Your family and church would give you a lot of respect if you succeeded, and contempt if you failed. It was a test that separated the virtuous from the lazy, weak, and sinful.

When such hardships are made optional by technological or social progress, most find new challenges to conquer but many regret their loss.

Birth control is old news in the Western world. But the cycle will repeat with new technologies. Suppose you're serious about fitness, you spend hours every week spinning and cross-fitting, and your abs are rippling. And tomorrow, a pill is developed that lets everyone be perfectly fit with zero effort. What do you get for all your hours at the gym? Can you imagine being bummed that everyone else is getting for free what you worked so hard for? That might give some idea what pre-birth-control nostalgia is like.

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by jbicha »

jbmorgado wrote: post #99
TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #75

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The same could be said of female contraception, yet I don't see many people complaining about that. Why do you think that is?

Maybe because the side effects for female contraceptive pill are 99% lower than the ones for the male contraceptive "pill"? http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/30/health/male-birth-control/ I mean, one would think that anyone with the minimum sense of logical thinking would understand that it is way easier to prevent 1 (as one, singular) single egg to get fixated in the uterus during the course of 28 days, than to prevent…

[citation needed] (for your claim that the prototype male "pill" is 100x as bad as the existing female pill)

The side effects of female hormonal birth control are really bad for plenty of women.

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by jbmorgado »

bpicolo wrote: post #133
jbmorgado wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe because the side effects for female contraceptive pill are 99% lower than the ones for the male contraceptive "pill"? http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/30/health/male-birth-control/ I mean, one would think that anyone with the minimum sense of logical thinking would understand that it is way easier to prevent 1 (as one, singular) single egg to get fixated in the uterus during the course of 28 days, than to prevent…

That pill is entirely different from what the article up top is talking about.

That's why "pill" is inside quotes.

And in any case, basic biology and the presented numbers still stand as the reality.

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by jbmorgado »

jbicha wrote: post #143
jbmorgado wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe because the side effects for female contraceptive pill are 99% lower than the ones for the male contraceptive "pill"? http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/30/health/male-birth-control/ I mean, one would think that anyone with the minimum sense of logical thinking would understand that it is way easier to prevent 1 (as one, singular) single egg to get fixated in the uterus during the course of 28 days, than to prevent…

[citation needed] (for your claim that the prototype male "pill" is 100x as bad as the existing female pill) The side effects of female hormonal birth control are really bad for plenty of women.

"The side effects of female hormonal birth control are really bad for plenty of women."

I think you lack at least some grasp of basic statistics.

As for the 99%, just read TFA.

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Post by dopamean »

mikeash wrote: post #78
TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #75

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The same could be said of female contraception, yet I don't see many people complaining about that. Why do you think that is?

Oh, there are a ton of people complaining that female contraception encourages people to have sex they shouldn't be having. It's not usually framed in terms of STDs, but I'm pretty sure the STD argument here is just a cover for a moralistic argument anyway.

Exactly. That is also most of the argument against sex education as well.

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Post by benjohnson »

Jarwain wrote: post #128
dvdhnt wrote: post #100

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It's probably difficult because you don't have children and therefore lack the experience necessary to develop a comprehensive understanding of the topic. That's not to say your partial understanding is not valid, it's just incomplete. Not only am I adopted (thus not "wanted"), but neither of my children were planned and my wife and I initially couldn't agree. From my real world experience, and not speculation, it on…

I don't have your experience, nor do I really know what it's like, but here's a perspective I thought of after reading your post. Your birth parents may not have wanted you, putting you for adoption. However, you were wanted in a different sense, chosen for adoption by whomever adopted you. -shrugs- Don't know what point I wanted to make, just a thought

I would also add that his birth parents had enough compassion to let their child have life.

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by mikeash »

mehaveaccount wrote: post #141
mikeash wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Argue it all you want, just don't try to force it. If you're going to argue for sexual restraint but want to let people make their own decisions on it, you're going to have to work really hard to distance yourself from e.g. the people who fight against the HPV vaccine because they're more concerned with premarital sex than with cervical cancer. It's really rare to find anyone who merely wants to argue for it. Most ei…

Because morals are a good thing. Isn't it funny how all the real religions came to the same conclusion on all the controversial issues of our day.

Oh yeah, it's great how every religion came up with the exact same views on how many women you should marry, how you should treat people who worship different gods, what kind of food it's OK to eat, whether religion should be subservient to the state or vice versa, and so forth.

"Morals are a good thing" whose morals, exactly? Let me guess, yours happen to be the correct ones?

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Post by Raphmedia »

MichaelGG wrote: post #59

Testosterone will also do this. There are long release esters so you only need an injection every few months. Even with a bimonthly shot, it costs about $10/mo. (On mobile, but there was a study in China with T undecanoate showing amazing effectiveness.) Downside is that in the US, testosterone is, hilariously, Schedule III. But 5 minutes with Google should have you sorted. Can get OTC in other places.

The main problem with increasing T to act as a birth control is that there are too much side effects.

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by Cyph0n »

sandGorgon wrote: post #83
k-mcgrady wrote: post #26

I wonder how this would effect STD rates in areas with bad sex ed? I could see a lot of people thinking 'don't need a condom because I can't make someone pregnant now'. Not that this product is a bad thing, very useful for people in monogamous relationships.

Glad you asked. So India in general has an extremely progressive acceptability for sex education. We have ads on national TV promoting condoms (by the govt. With Bollywood jingles) as well as female contraceptives. You can pretty much walk into any govt hospital (which are not much to look at) and get free contraceptives and contraception operative procedures. We have a huge govt funded initiative around sanitary nap…

Well, India is different I think because it's a matter of national importance. I guess the Indian government really has no other option besides forcing the idea of contraceptives onto the population. This is not a bad thing, but I just want to clarify that overpopulation is a very strong motivator, and is something that few countries in the world have to deal with.
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