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Why Dentistry Is Separate from Medicine

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Typical deductibles are $500-1000. It's nearly impossible to cause more than zero but less than $500 in damage to a modern car. Those little fender benders generally have price tags similar to what you'd pay for oral surgery.

Sure, but the little fender benders aren't what the insurance is for . You can save a bit of money on car insurance by having a $5000 deductible, because the average claim amount is <$3500 but you'll save more than the difference in insurance premiums over the years with the higher deductible.

Given that most people don't take a $5,000 deductible, your notion of what insurance is for seems to be at odds with both insurance buyers and insurance sellers.

Re: Why Dentistry Is Separate from Medicine

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i'm very happy its under a separate umbrella. think of all the years of unnecessary education they'd pile on to dentistry and the bottle necks they would put up to raise the wages to MD level. currently it costs 150$ to show up 10 minutes early for an appointment to be seen 20 minutes late for an interaction that lasts 5 minutes. and then i say 'my knee also hurts' and they say you need to schedule another appointmen…

> the bottle necks they would put up to raise the wages to MD level.

Dentists can easily make more money than the majority of physicians. Not to mention they don't have a residency, my few dentist friends came out of dental school at 26 making 150k+.

Re: Why Dentistry Is Separate from Medicine

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Sure, but the little fender benders aren't what the insurance is for . You can save a bit of money on car insurance by having a $5000 deductible, because the average claim amount is <$3500 but you'll save more than the difference in insurance premiums over the years with the higher deductible.

Given that most people don't take a $5,000 deductible, your notion of what insurance is for seems to be at odds with both insurance buyers and insurance sellers.

The insurance sellers know what they're doing. The lower your deductible is the higher the premiums they can charge and higher premiums means more vig.

Re: Why Dentistry Is Separate from Medicine

#144
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Make sure to poke a very thin wooden stick regularly (daily, before bed, after brushing) between your teeth and marvel (or be disgusted) at the amount of plaque that comes out which you missed by just brushing -- honestly it's an insane amount.

> after brushing Before brushing, I'd say. Then the fluoride in the toothpaste can better reach between the teeth.

Personal anecdote, but that way, you might also push some harder pieces of food under the gums (most of those leftovers won't be there if you brush first). It happened to me after eating some hazelnuts and flossing before brushing. The gums swelled up for a few days.

Re: Why Dentistry Is Separate from Medicine

#145
Do the math and you'll find dental insurance is a ripoff. Additionally, while some people can't afford much of anything, others who complain about the cost of dental care, buy things as or more expensive because they value those things more: Big screen TV for example. They don't value dental care as much, until they are in pain. Then they expect an entitlement. People pay for what they want. Dental insurance is a subsidy, not insurance. Delta Dental of CA has over $600,000,000 invested in tradable securities. They didn't pack away that much money giving away dentistry for free.

Re: Why Dentistry Is Separate from Medicine

#146

Do the math and you'll find dental insurance is a ripoff. Additionally, while some people can't afford much of anything, others who complain about the cost of dental care, buy things as or more expensive because they value those things more: Big screen TV for example. They don't value dental care as much, until they are in pain. Then they expect an entitlement. People pay for what they want. Dental insurance is a sub…

Delta Dental of CA has over $600,000,000 invested in tradable securities - all from your premiums paid to them with a piddly $1000 annual maximum with absurd limitations. I agree. It is a scam.

Re: Why Dentistry Is Separate from Medicine

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This is what you should do: Fire-up Excel and develop a financial model for providing dental insurance to a million people. On another tab, develop a financial model for providing mid-range health insurance to a million people. Finally, develop a financial model for providing automobile insurance to a million people. This will answer all your questions.

Perhaps you'd like to enlighten those of us who are not experts in developing financial models for insurance scenarios?

I generally assume the HN audience to be composed of entrepreneurs or would-be entrepreneurs. Understanding finance and forecasting is a very important skill. The math is very, very simple. It's a matter of breaking down a business into costs and income to calculate profits. Again, simple math. All businesses, from a local coffee shop to a multinational share a simple equation that can be summarized through "EBITDA" analysis:

https://goo.gl/A5nGML

You could start with expenses. I won't develop a comprehensive model here but here's a small list of what could cost an insurance company money.

  - Average number of claims per client per year
  - Average cost of claims
  - Regulatory compliance costs
  - Administration costs
  - Structural costs (buildings, desks, computers, cars, phones, etc.)
  - Cost of sales
  - Personnel costs (salaries, health insurance, benefits, taxes, HR, etc.)
Spending some time on Google would reveal lots more detail on how to create a model on the expense side. If you can find a publicly traded insurance company their SEC filings would contain lots of useful information on cost drivers in that industry. I would definitely look for these filings if available.

Next do income.

Simple version: How many clients? How much do they pay on average?

Complex: You need to divide clients into layers with different risk profiles. Each risk profile is likely to have to pay different premiums, etc. This connects with the cost side of the equation. I listed average cost of claims above, this isn't likely to be a realistic cost model. It might be OK for a quick first stab but you really need to model cost of claims in tiers with some relationship to statistical risk, etc. This requires some thought. Google, again, could be your friend here.

In some ways, to talk in programming terms, you almost want to create a class to represent an individual client (with all the relevant variables) and then instantiate a million of them by using realistic distribution criteria to decide how these variables, well, vary. For example: Out of a million people, in any given year: What's the likelihood of a non-fatal heart attack? What's the likelihood of broken bones? What's the likelihood of hospitalization? You then have to attach costs to these events.

You would then have to add a matrix of plans with different coverage structures, deductibles, etc. These plans will interact with the above to generate actual costs. Some people will have very low premiums but huge deductibles and light coverage. Others will opt for very higher premiums for more coverage and still have a deductibles structure. Google can provide ideas on what's out there.

This can get very, very complicated. The simple version can give someone a basic understanding of what's at play. Bottom line, there's a reason for which comprehensive dental insurance isn't commonplace and this kind of analysis reveals it.

To those of us used to the financial analysis of businesses the answer to this question is clear. I think it is important for people to try and understand how money works. A lot of the issues out there boil down to the masses not having this understanding. Every day politicians promise things that are firmly rooted in fantasy, a fantasy that is easily revealed with a quick dive into a spreadsheet. This is a huge problem.

Re: Why Dentistry Is Separate from Medicine

#149

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Private dental insurance in the U.K. doesn't cover as much as you think.

Well, I get regular checkups and when I need work they do it - I haven't encountered any areas where stuff wasn't covered. Edit: Pretty sure I pay £30 odd a month and I've had root canal treatment, new crowns, etc.

I also pay that and both AXA and BUPA cover upto 75% and upto like 300 and something GBP a year unless you are doing procedures which are also covered by the NHS.

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Well, I get regular checkups and when I need work they do it - I haven't encountered any areas where stuff wasn't covered. Edit: Pretty sure I pay £30 odd a month and I've had root canal treatment, new crowns, etc.

As far as I know this is similar to my partner's deal and the most expensive thing is a crown and only the fabrication of that is not included, the rest of the treatment for it is in the plan.

It will cover only certain things, expensive crowns and fillings which are not covered by the NHS will not be covered or will be simply be over the cap of your yearly insurance coverage.

If you need a simple crown that is subsidized if not completely by the NHS you'll be able to offload it to the insurance pretty easily, if you want the top of the line ceramic crowns that cost 1500-2000 GBP no insurance will actually cover that.

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