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Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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Re: Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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Please explain.

If you spend $100M buying back stock at the top of the market and then the next year, the bubble pops and your stock is down 50% was that really good capital allocation? For every dollar you spent, you have effectively lost 50 cents. Sears admitted as much back in 2007 when they were buying back stock at $180 only to watch it drop to $90 a few months later. Remember, the idea with buybacks is to reduce overall share…

You can play the stock market, and you can put money back into investors pockets.

If you want managers to play the stock market, your comments are spot on--but you shouldn't restrict them to buying only shares of their own company. If they are good at predicting when valuations are high and going lower, or the other way round, you should open an investment fund and profit from their expertise.

Most companies aren't in the business of playing the stock market.

If you just want to transfer money from the company to the stock holders, you can either issue dividends or buy back shares at any time there's excess cash. Apart from taxation issues, there's no difference between share buy-backs and dividends in terms of getting money back to the investors.

Re: Apple is Officially Worth More than Microsoft

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I think they refer to market value or in this case market capitalisation, which is well defined as share price * # of shares. Both prices you listed are just the asking prices, the true market value will be somewhere between the bid and ask prices. The bid ask spread in a liquid market is small under 'normal' circumstances, eg Apple shares bid/ask is currently 243.50 x 400/244.00 x 2600, people willing to buy 400 sha…

I'm not sure how the asking price for a share is substantially different than the concept of "value" I mentioned before. Both are fictitious concepts that have very little to do with the actual price something should have (I'll use the term "worth" here to describe that more precise measure, but feel free to substitute average cost or some other term that means "the objectively calculable price for something"). A sha…

Of course what you say is true, value or worth is subjective - something that you think is worth only the cost of production may be worth a lot more to someone else. Everybody has their own value metric, but funnily if you want to buy or sell at a particularly instance in time you have to pay the market price.
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