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To keep Tor hack source code secret, DOJ dismisses child porn case

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Re: To keep Tor hack source code secret, DOJ dismisses child porn case

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> In general if a criminal goes free despite having evidence against him just because the evidence was not obtained legally ... it sounds rather wrong to me. Then you are terribly shortsighted. It is "innocent until proven " guilty" for many very good reasons. We have only the word of the government that this man is guilty. The government has ALL the cards and power, the innocent need protection from it more than we…

I said "in general" for a reason. I'm not talking about _this_ particular case. (I'm not sure that accessing a dubious website is in itself a crime; obviously the police accessed the site too). Presumably the police _can_ prove it, but the court simply refuses to even _see_ the evidence.

> Presumably the police _can_ prove it, but the court simply refuses to even _see_ the evidence.

Then you are required to assume that the police CANNOT prove it.

I have several system administrator friends who have actually dealt with CP on their systems. Every single time it was discovered to have been planted by the FBI attempting to fish for pervs.

So, yeah, I'm gonna give the accused a whopping benefit of the doubt. CP is such a hot button issue and so amazingly rare that I always assume that the government or its agents are up to something nefarious first and that someone is a despicable human being second.

Perhaps my Bayesian prior is wrong, but I kinda doubt it.

Re: To keep Tor hack source code secret, DOJ dismisses child porn case

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I think it more assumes that the police's incentive is to maximize the ratio of accusation to conviction as much as possible, which is a reasonable goal. If they were simply trying to maximize the total number of convictions, then this wouldn't necessarily help; the police would just make broaden the kind of cases they'd accuse And ofc, it's the function of the police to maximize the misdemeanor to conviction ratio;…

>I think it more assumes that the police's incentive is to maximize the ratio of [conviction to accusation] as much as possible, which is a reasonable goal. Strictly speaking it's not a very reasonable goal. The best way to achieve it would be to pick, say, the three easiest to prosecute cases every year and only prosecute those.

Well shit

Maximize ratio and minimize unaccounted (unaccused?) crime

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