Next up: disbanding firefighters, parametics and police. Not to be outdone by shutting down the electric grid.
Only the first two; defense and law enforcement are the things this administration wants government to do more of.
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#142Next up: disbanding firefighters, parametics and police. Not to be outdone by shutting down the electric grid.
You joke but I know plenty of self professed libertarians who want nothing more than to see those very services privatized. I know someone who genuinely believes a privatized police force would be the end of police violence because "then we'd at least be able to fight back." Sadly this is actually how a lot of people think.
> You joke but I know plenty of self professed libertarians who want nothing more than to see those very services privatized.
Perhaps, but the Trump Administration doesn't even pretend to be libertarian (pro-business, especially big business, yes, but not libertarian.)
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#143Hey, he's just following through on campaign promises. How can you fault him on that? In a decade or two, this will probably be laughable. But if he cuts back on foreign intervention, I'm happy to cut him lots of slack.
If he cuts back on foreign intervention, this extraordinary emphasis on "rebuilding" our military (whatever that means given the relative size of our military) makes even less sense. If you're hanging your hat on the idea that he'll be less interventionist, I'd ask you to consider the evidence mounting to the contrary.
> If he cuts back on foreign intervention, this extraordinary emphasis on "rebuilding" our military (whatever that means given the relative size of our military) makes even less sense.
If you take some of his false statements as statements of future intent, it makes perfect sense. For instance, the description of deportation efforts as "a military operation".
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's probably a part of it, but the budget cuts across the government (outside of defense and law enforcement) are also a realization of goal of at least the Bannon faction of the Trump White House to basically burn the whole system of government to the ground.
If this is true, why are they not removing all funding entirely?
Because its not (yet, at any rate) a dictatorship, and they need something that even Republicans in Congress will vote for, for one thing.
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#147Sorry to hear about anyone losing jobs. The NOAA has been suspected of doctoring the record[1], of all varieties including the satellites once they got control of them[2]. there will be more insider stories of how some conspired to fake AGW data [3] so I think it likely that the revisions and corrections will be challenged soon and we will see that the revisions had no factual basis. Many will resign, probably jumpin…
From the first link: "Note how a huge swathe of South America has been labelled as “record warmest”. And what is this based on? In fact, there is virtually no temperature data available at all for that particular area, including nearly all of Brazil. The so-called record temperatures in Brazil and neighbouring countries are pure fabrication." That seems like a pretty bold charge, how does someone who knows nothing ab…
that was just one of many many charges of tampering[1].
honestly this cristicism of the NOAA, NASA is pretty unwelcome by most HN people, so im not proposing everyone accept this immediately.
but the facts are out there and slowly if what i am saying is correct ( time will tell ) the the tampering will start being rolled back.
[1] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11367272/Climategate-the-...
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it the federal governments job to invest in protecting people that knowingly live in dangerous areas though? Not saying you shouldn't live there, but if you have a known risk and your local government and citizens cannot manage that risk - why should other citizens across the country pay for that? I understand those services were being delivered and now there might be a gap which is worrisome, but can it be solved…
Did you ask for an example for honest debate, or to have a straw man you could pick apart? Because it seems like it's the latter. You're arguing his example and ignoring the larger point (likely intentionally).
Honest. I was pretty clear that I think it's a state issue but was interested in hearing whether it's feasible for the states to handle. If it isn't, then I could see that being a valid justification as a federal investment which is undergoing cuts that may affect the service.
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#149WTF is wrong with this administration and data? Honestly.
It's easy. This administration and the current GOP are beholden to the very rich and to corporations. Energy companies have made a business decision to use marketing and PR to deny climate change. Denying climate change protects energy companies' profits. This is all very expected once you realize who funds the GOP. I don't really get why most media stories on climate change don't explain the motivations behind clima…
This administration and the current GOP?
This isn't a partisan problem, it's a systemic one. Every recent administration and both major parties are beholden to powerful special interests.
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#150This is really bad. NOAA also covers oceans. This talk mentions how it was underfunded already 9 years ago.
https://www.ted.com/talks/robert_ballard_on_exploring_the_oc...