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Re: Sexism at Uber from Female Management

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Post by stephancoral »

nanodano wrote: post #115

All of those things she lists are not really sexism. The only one that even comes close is the lady telling her not to wear a tank top. Honestly, I agree too. I think tank tops are not appropriate office attire. This girl just needs to grow up and learn that her appearance does matter. I feel like her manager was actually giving her some good life advice and being real with her.

> I think tank tops are not appropriate office attire.

If she's not customer facing, who gives a shit? Some of the worst, toxic behavior in companies is committed by men in suits

Re: Sexism at Uber from Female Management

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Post by watwut »

M4v3R wrote: post #96
cholantesh wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She was told that her body was a distraction and should dress modestly to remedy this. That's sexism writ large.

In my book that's just common sense, not sexism.

My body being distracting to you should be your problem not mine. Unless the guys are criticised for wearing young guy fashion (or looking attractive) too.

Re: Sexism at Uber from Female Management

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Post by apercu »

endymi0n wrote: post #112
whatever_dude wrote: post #35

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Unfortunately managers also tend to be a product of their environment. I've seen female managers/leads take extremely male-centric sexist positions on issues just because it's the way they've learned. In other words, they had become "one of the boys" and were expecting other women under them to do the same. I've come to assume it's especially true of Women on their 40s or so who have been in the tech industry for a w…

This. If you look how Uber HR "handled" all these problems by completely ignoring them, it's a large part of the problem.

HR only exists to keep the company free from liability.

Re: Sexism at Uber from Female Management

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Post by watwut »

nanodano wrote: post #115

All of those things she lists are not really sexism. The only one that even comes close is the lady telling her not to wear a tank top. Honestly, I agree too. I think tank tops are not appropriate office attire. This girl just needs to grow up and learn that her appearance does matter. I feel like her manager was actually giving her some good life advice and being real with her.

Comes from culture which celebrates dudes who refused ties and oftentimes is proud of not trusting people in business wear (e.g. tie).

I mean it seriously, if everyone wears business, then it is what it is. If you wear flip flops and metal t-shit, thensuring female street wear should be fine too.

Besides that, tech culture seems to be all proud about rejecting attire formalities and about business being stupid for insisting on them.

Re: Sexism at Uber from Female Management

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Post by l3m0ndr0p »

It's a shame that this happens regardless of your gender. I've been in similar situations & was able to detect that it was going to get worse. But, I stood up to the bullies even risking my employment. This is what everybody should do. Stand up and tell that person you won't accept being treated poorly. Stop cowering in fear.

Re: Sexism at Uber from Female Management

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Post by neutronicus »

armandososa wrote: post #57

How do you know (asking seriously, since I work alone 99% of the time) when somebody is sexist (or any other ist ) or if he/she is just a generally unpleasant person? Also, I got to say that if I'm in the same room with a woman who has a very visible cleavage I will look into the ceiling to avoid even the vague notion that I'm looking into their breasts.

Sometimes, it's not too important to use the right synonym for "asshole". If, for whatever reason, you think that an equal-opportunity asshole is imprecisely labeled a sexist, well ... is that worth arguing over?

Re: Sexism at Uber from Female Management

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Post by mizzao »

kchoudhu wrote: post #87
voidlogic wrote: post #15

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>It's a source of constant amazement to me that people who will drill incessantly on red-black trees won't put in a modicum of effort to learn even a little bit about the inherently more complicated business of managing people. This isn't really an issue if you promote an engineer to mgmt when they have demonstrated that can manage people, rather than before and assume they can grow.

You've got a chicken and egg problem here. The only way to train an engineer in this scheme is to have him manage people without having a clue, which necessarily implies breakage for the people working under him: definitionally a new person entering a specialized role has no idea how to carry out said role. The only thing that fixes this is extensive training before promotion -- but this is anathema in modern corpora…

Another way to learn is to work for a great manager and pay attention, or work for a crappy manager and see the consequences of mistakes. The latter is painful, but also more instructive than the former.

Re: Sexism at Uber from Female Management

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Post by RickS »

smallgovt wrote: post #104
RickS wrote: post #88

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Totally agree with your point about zuckerberg. Zuckerburg evolved over time, but the culture did not, to my knowledge, radically diverge from zuckerberg. Facebook as a whole made that same cultural journey to maturity, which I think only reenforces the point. Re: "founders can change" - I don't think it's the role of the staff to wait around while a guy spends years in management learning not to be a dick. If they p…

I don't think anyone will deny the linkage between CEO and culture. The prior comment was pointing out that CEO's can change, and culture will change alongside, hence refuting this statement "that was never going to change while this person was CEO."

Fair point.

Re: Sexism at Uber from Female Management

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Post by lafar6502 »

apercu wrote: post #144
endymi0n wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. If you look how Uber HR "handled" all these problems by completely ignoring them, it's a large part of the problem.

HR only exists to keep the company free from liability.

so this time they failed - is throwing mud on the Internet the only way of settling this? Or just most convenient and with best chance of payout? Something smells fishy here - many many people see the big pile of money at Uber and get some ideas
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