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UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by pjc50 »

ascorbic wrote: post #125
pjc50 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ireland is a special case; the Ireland Act 1949 provides that "Ireland is not a foreign country", and the Good Friday Agreement requires an open border between Eire and NI. Like everything else, this is now subject to uncertainty. http://irishpost.co.uk/irish-government-attempts-calm-citize... (The possibility of NI rejoining Éire has now moved from "unthinkable" to "maybe". If a border gets imposed as part of Brexit…

There hasn't been a word from the UK government about how this could be achieved. There seems to be no realistic way to retain an open border with the Republic of Ireland while not having an open border with the rest of the EU. The mythical Romanian could just fly to Dublin, drive to NI and catch a ferry. The only solution that I can see is to move the border to the North Sea. An open border with the Republic, but bo…

Indeed. I can't see Stormont agreeing to border posts (and Stormont is anyway in a mess over RHI corruption!), but if the British government starts unilaterally building them against the will of Stormont they've broken the GFA and the IRA may start blowing them up.

Internal quasi-border is a bit more likely - there are already some ID checks there - but will accelerate the decline of Unionism further.

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Post by Anderkent »

alecco wrote: post #19
toyg wrote: post #2

It makes sense, I don't think anyone could realistically expect anything different. Considering it's basically a starting negotiating position, it's actually pretty good from my perspective (EU national who has formally been granted permanent residency by exercising his treaty rights). Obviously the devil is in the details, i.e. what it will mean exactly "after the cutoff date": if one has lived in UK long enough to…

> If you are an EU citizen looking to move to the UK: just don't I call BS on that. UK is quite open to LEGAL worker immigration from anywhere around the world. What's the big deal? I worked in UK for years and I'm not EU. Many Americans, Asians, Australians, etc. go through these channels without issue. After a few years they give you residentship. And shortly after that they give you citizenship. It's crazy how thi…

It's a simple distinction:

1. You want to come work in London? Fill out all these forms, pay fees, prove that you're going to be useful, and we might allow you to stay

2. You want to come work in Berlin? Sure, come along.

Do you see how the latter makes you feel much more welcome?

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by teniutza »

tiatia wrote: post #128
struppi wrote: post #12

OK, wait, this does not make sense. If half of Romania an Bulgaria wanted to come to the UK, they would already be there. Because free movement already exists. Why would anyone decide now to "quickly move to the UK", just because they are leaving the EU? I would rather see this as a disincentive to move there, as a EU citicen, right now...

Is this true? Bulgaria and Romania are both EU countries, neither is Schengen.

How is the UK different in this regard?

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Post by tiatia »

asnyder wrote: post #138
tiatia wrote: post #128

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Is this true? Bulgaria and Romania are both EU countries, neither is Schengen.

Pretty sure Romania is in Schengen. As someone that spends more than half the year in Romania I know I hear it mentioned a lot.

Actually, I am 100% sure that Romania IS NOT Schengen. And the UK is also not Schengen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area

I nearly f. this up when I was traveling with my Non-EU girlfriend who was on a single entry Visa and I was about to book a flight for us from Vienna to Sofia to travel in East Europe.

The question is: Can citizens of Bulgaria and Romania just move to the UK without further requirements? Looks to me they would need a visa.

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Post by simonh »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #100
tobltobs wrote: post #59

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Why? Serious question. What kind of benefit, advantage would they achieve? To my understanding of the UK immigration system there wouldn't be any.

If I was thinking of emigrating anywhere and I knew the door would close in two years then I would bring forward my plans, if I found out it was closing in a couple of weeks I'd think it was already too late. I don't see why this is controversial.

Right, but only if you were expecting to emigrate anyway. Otherwise it's hard to see how this would have any effect. It's not as if being 'trapped in the EU' is a major concern on the minds of most Europeans right now.

Conversely, there may well be plenty of Brits who may well be concerned that reciprocal restrictions might prevent them from emigrating to the EU and might move forward their plans to do so too.

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Post by teniutza »

asnyder wrote: post #138
tiatia wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this true? Bulgaria and Romania are both EU countries, neither is Schengen.

Pretty sure Romania is in Schengen. As someone that spends more than half the year in Romania I know I hear it mentioned a lot.

Joining the Schengen Area is an ongoing process. Romania is currently not a member state.

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

tobltobs wrote: post #134
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #100

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If I was thinking of emigrating anywhere and I knew the door would close in two years then I would bring forward my plans, if I found out it was closing in a couple of weeks I'd think it was already too late. I don't see why this is controversial.

I was asking for facts, not gut feelings. Can you name any kind of certificate or any other kind of paper a immigrant could get now which would help him in the future?

Isn't that the whole point of the original article, there will be a cutoff point, people assumed it would be when we left the EU but the government is about to state that it will be when we call article 50.

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EasyTiger_ wrote: post #89
pavlov wrote: post #72

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Both sides of this debate are equally guilty of accusing the others of astroturfing. To liberals, any pro-Trump poster must be a Russian operating out of a St. Petersburg fake news factory. To conservatives, any anti-Trump poster must be a paid protester on the payroll of George Soros. I feel it would make sense for HN to have a full ban on any accusations of astroturfing or paid trolling.

And yet you don't see any blatant pro-Brexit or pro-Trump stories here

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Post by aurelianito »

tiatia wrote: post #128
struppi wrote: post #12

OK, wait, this does not make sense. If half of Romania an Bulgaria wanted to come to the UK, they would already be there. Because free movement already exists. Why would anyone decide now to "quickly move to the UK", just because they are leaving the EU? I would rather see this as a disincentive to move there, as a EU citicen, right now...

Is this true? Bulgaria and Romania are both EU countries, neither is Schengen.

Neither is the UK.

Re: UK government considering a “cut-off date” for EU citizens’ rights to residency

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Post by tiatia »

teniutza wrote: post #143
tiatia wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this true? Bulgaria and Romania are both EU countries, neither is Schengen.

How is the UK different in this regard?

The question is, do people from Romania and Bulgaria need a visa? Looks to me they can not just move to the UK but maybe the UK has different agreements with this countries.

Just checked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_Romanian...

Looks like they don't need anything but a passport to go to the UK.

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