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Brilliant Jerks Cost More Than They Are Worth

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Re: Brilliant Jerks Cost More Than They Are Worth

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It's difficult to tell from one single viewpoint.

However what I find MOST revealing is that there is precisely ZERO mention of 'training' anywhere in the article.

Did they not attempt to train the 'jerk' to be less harsh while still effectively communicating?

Did they not attempt to train the possibly overly-sensitive employees to step back and try to not take everything as a personal attack?

I think that /both/ things would have enriched the value of their employees. Both those who need more guidance on being better at communicating and those who need to improve their technical skills.

Re: Brilliant Jerks Cost More Than They Are Worth

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> A “No Jerks” Policy Must Be Built Into Your Culture. It is entirely possible to be extremely passionate (and even brilliant) without being a jerk. A “no jerks” policy must be preached and practiced from the highest levels. Following simplistic rules like this is usually what leaves us knee deep in the proverbial. Maybe I've been lucky, but I've never worked with anyone who's as much of a jerk as described in the ar…

I think it's possible to be truthful, direct and blunt while still being nice and thoughtful. There's a false association between someone who is a jerk and someone who is willing to disagree.

Re: Brilliant Jerks Cost More Than They Are Worth

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to call anyone a "jerk" is something that only jerks do, but everyone looks at themselves as holier than thou. We're all flawed in some way. Labeling people (or attacking people) as "jerks" is in profound violation the principle of non-violent communication, to say the least, and, by the way, so is down-voting those who are critical of the prevailing opinion here without a civil counter argument ;-)

> to call anyone a "jerk" is something that only jerks do

What about people who call "jerks" people who call someone a jerk?

:-D

Re: Brilliant Jerks Cost More Than They Are Worth

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I've met two kinds of "brilliant jerks" in my working life. One is insufferable and makes the lives of his (it's usually a he) co-workers such a nightmare that they end up quitting. The other is abrasive but pushes his co-workers to achieve a higher level. I've even worked with one developer who was both and, while I hated every moment of working with him, I'm undoubtedly better at what I do now for having worked wit…

> I've met two kinds of "brilliant jerks" in my working life.

I think this is a key point, along with ianbicking's observation that jerkness is often an environmental (rather than innate) phenomenon. Here's a quote many here might recognize.

"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice"

Substitute "quality" or "progress" for "liberty" and you might see what I'm getting at. Some people are just jerks, full stop, end of story. They won't stop being jerks. They will continue to bring everyone down, so they're best gotten rid of. However, there are others who can exhibit many of the same outward behaviors because of context. Most often, the context is that people aren't listening. In an organization where there's a strong emphasis on empirical results, and even more so in one where there's a strong focus on learning, this "situational jerkness" doesn't occur. On the other hand, when people persist in doing things that are wrong despite every prior proof that it's wrong, others might get frustrated enough with them to start being jerks. Examples from my own experience might include:

* Repeatedly deferring fixes to a known serious problem, while resources are devoted to less important things.

* Re-submitting the same proposal or patch without fixing already-identified flaws.

* Persisting in collaborative anti-patterns such as pulling rank or announcing decisions made without all stakeholders present.

I've been a jerk myself, when faced with these kinds of situations. I'd have to be some kind of jerk not to push for change, when experience tells me that the status quo leads to a bad place. Sometimes passive aggression needs to be met with active aggression. When faced with being a jerk for good or a jerk for evil, I'll choose being a jerk for good. It's not a decision to be made lightly, and if it happens often then we're probably back in "permanent jerk" territory, but sometimes it's a decision that needs to be made anyway.

Re: Brilliant Jerks Cost More Than They Are Worth

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say there's no middle ground. Of course I'd prefer the brilliant nice guy, but you don't always have that option. I disagree on 'adequate' though. I'll take a truly brilliant a-hole over 'adequate'. 'Adequate' means I'm often fixing their mistakes, checking up on them, making sure they stay on track, etc. I'm ok with smoothing over issues from time to time if it means I can let them run wild on the thing I h…

Well I'd prefer strawberry ice cream, as long as we're talking options here!

I don't know, I'd take a good candidate at the moment. trying to fill a position currently.

Re: Brilliant Jerks Cost More Than They Are Worth

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post #14

No they don't; mediocre 'nice guys' do though. Every 'brilliant jerk' I've worked with and led has been a net positive over the long haul. Every mediocre nice guy has been dead weight that costs everyone around them time. I'll take the brilliant jerk any day. They can simply deliver in ways that others cannot.

Not a chance. Brilliant jerks are a cancer on the team and business, and they very rarely deliver.

Re: Brilliant Jerks Cost More Than They Are Worth

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post #13

> A “No Jerks” Policy Must Be Built Into Your Culture. It is entirely possible to be extremely passionate (and even brilliant) without being a jerk. A “no jerks” policy must be preached and practiced from the highest levels. Following simplistic rules like this is usually what leaves us knee deep in the proverbial. Maybe I've been lucky, but I've never worked with anyone who's as much of a jerk as described in the ar…

> In my experience, talented developers are usually intelligent enough that they can make up for their shortcoming in the social area by consciously adapting their behaviour. That's orthogonal to the issue mentioned in the article. For the purposes of "not being a jerk", it doesn't matter if that comes naturally or if you have to devote conscious effort to it; only the resulting behavior matters. > Brilliant jerks ar…

> Brilliant jerks are often to be found at the beating heart of successful software.

Survivorship bias doesn't render this an ineffective argument against the simple "no jerks" policy argued for in the article.

The contention is "(jerk present) → ¬ (success)", aka "¬ (jerk present) ∨ ¬ (success)". A single case of "(jerk present) ∧ (success)" is sufficient to disprove the direct implication.

Re: Brilliant Jerks Cost More Than They Are Worth

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post #144

to call anyone a "jerk" is something that only jerks do, but everyone looks at themselves as holier than thou. We're all flawed in some way. Labeling people (or attacking people) as "jerks" is in profound violation the principle of non-violent communication, to say the least, and, by the way, so is down-voting those who are critical of the prevailing opinion here without a civil counter argument ;-)

> to call anyone a "jerk" is something that only jerks do What about people who call "jerks" people who call someone a jerk? :-D

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