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Announcing GVFS: Git Virtual File System

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Re: Announcing GVFS: Git Virtual File System

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Post by stinos »

OJFord wrote: post #123

> when you run “git checkout” and it takes up to 3 hours, or even a simple “git status” takes almost 10 minutes to run. That’s assuming you can get past the “git clone”, which takes 12+ hours. How on Earth can anybody work like that? I'd have thought you may as well ditch git at that point, since nobody's going to be using it as a tool, surely? git commit -m 'Add today\'s work - night all!' && git push; shutdown

How on Earth can anybody work like that?

Since it's look like they are still migrating I don't think a lot of people actually did work like that. Maybe just a couple of times to figure out how long it would actually take. Or maybe those who really use it are actually doing shallow clones which would probably take much less time. Actually shallow clone is nice but doesn't seem to be known very well. I use it often if I know I won't ever need the full history anyway. Also great to shave time of CI builds.

Re: Announcing GVFS: Git Virtual File System

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Post by ska »

testUser69 wrote: post #2

>the Windows codebase has over 3.5 million files and is over 270 GB in size So instead of cleaning up this mess they decided to "fix" git? With this type of thing going on at MS it's no wonder Windows 10 is more buggy than my Linux box. Also why would they keep the entirety of "Windows" in one git repo? The only reason I can think to do this is if very large parts of the ecosystem are so tightly coupled together, tha…

There is a reason you can only think of one reason for this - it's known as inexperience.

Re: Announcing GVFS: Git Virtual File System

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Post by testUser69 »

floopidydoopidy wrote: post #99
SippinLean wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The recent Windows 10 thread was full of criticism for MS

And full of down votes for the negative comments. This website is very pro successful business, not pro tech.

Exactly, the top comment in this thread claims MS is the only company doing cool things (which is 100% not true). The top comments in the Windows 10 thread yesterday were mostly people claiming "it's sad to see such negativity toward MS" and there was maybe one or two negative comments followed by a circle jerk about how good MS and their software is.

Microsoft has historically been one of the worst tech companies for tech enthusiasts. We can ignore all the awful things they did in the 90's that stifled open standards (because apparently that doesn't matter anymore?) and just look at 2013, when they were exposed to have been participating in the NSA PRISM project. That means there is a whole team at MS that worked on a secret government project to help violate our fourth amendment rights. Even much of congress didn't know about NSA mass data collection, but Microsoft did.

People who trust MS these days are either naive or employed by them.

Re: Announcing GVFS: Git Virtual File System

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Post by aanm1988 »

Analemma_ wrote: post #132
tambourine_man wrote: post #85

It's interesting how all the cool things seem to come from Microsoft these days. I still think we need something better than Git, though. It brought some very cool ideas and the inner workings are reasonably understandable, but the UI is atrociously complicated. And yes, dealing with large files is a very sore point. I'd love to see a second attempt at a distributed version control system. But I applaud MS's initiati…

> I still think we need something better than Git, though. It brought some very cool ideas and the inner workings are reasonably understandable, but the UI is atrociously complicated. And yes, dealing with large files is a very sore point. Note that Google and Facebook ran into the same problems Microsoft did, and their solution was to use Mercurial and build similar systems on top of it. Microsoft could've done that…

Google uses some variant of perforce, just like MS has been doing.

Re: Announcing GVFS: Git Virtual File System

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Post by ska »

testUser69 wrote: post #62
BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, yes. The mating call of the wild elite computer expert. Microsoft: "We, only one of most technologically advanced companies with only the 2nd or 3rd highest market cap of any public company on the planet depending on the day, had a problem with infrastructure trying to manage possibly the largest software project that anyone has ever made. And then we solved it." You: "Stop doing what you're doing and pay attenti…

I think it's more naive to believe that large companies always make the right decisions. We see Microsoft make mistake after mistake (look at windows 8, windows vista). The only time they fix their mistakes is when they're made public. So there is no reason to fix their mistake of a code base.

It would be naive to assume large companies always make the right decisions, which is why few people do that.

However, when you see that a large company is doing something in a way that you thing is silly or strange, the logical thing to ask first is "what do they understand that I don't understand?". It won't always be the case, of course, but most of the time it will turn out you were missing something.

Assuming off the bat that they are idiots and you know a better way is staggeringly naive.

Re: Announcing GVFS: Git Virtual File System

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Post by aanm1988 »

anon987 wrote: post #34
kentt wrote: post #22

It's disappointing that all the comments are so negative. This is a great idea and solves a real problem for a lot of use cases. I remembering years ago Facebook says it had this problem. A lot of the comments were centered around that you could change your codebase to for what git can do. I'm glad there's another option now.

It's because the 'problem' it solves is a corner case that's rarely encountered. I love their absurd examples of repos that take 12 hours to download. How many people have that problem, really? All they did is create a caching layer.

It's not a caching layer, it's lazy evaluation.

Re: Announcing GVFS: Git Virtual File System

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Post by aanm1988 »

nine_k wrote: post #51
anon987 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because the 'problem' it solves is a corner case that's rarely encountered. I love their absurd examples of repos that take 12 hours to download. How many people have that problem, really? All they did is create a caching layer.

If you deal with code, the case is marginal for you. If you deal with graphics, audio assets, etc, the binary-blob type of data, the case is central.

This is about code, and code history. Just insane volumes.

Re: Announcing GVFS: Git Virtual File System

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Post by aanm1988 »

OJFord wrote: post #123

> when you run “git checkout” and it takes up to 3 hours, or even a simple “git status” takes almost 10 minutes to run. That’s assuming you can get past the “git clone”, which takes 12+ hours. How on Earth can anybody work like that? I'd have thought you may as well ditch git at that point, since nobody's going to be using it as a tool, surely? git commit -m 'Add today\'s work - night all!' && git push; shutdown

You can't, and microsoft isn't. They built this so they can use git without those problems.

Re: Announcing GVFS: Git Virtual File System

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Post by sterwill »

vtbassmatt wrote: post #36
daigoba66 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TFS has first-class support for Git repositories (in addition to the classic TFSVC repositories). So yes, they're moving more and more to Git. But no, they're not abandoning TFS. Interestingly, however, most of their "open source" efforts (.NET, C#, and related) are all on GitHub rather than their own hosted offerings: CodePlex (which is basically dead) or "Visual Studio Team Services".

Not sure why Visual Studio Team Services is in scare quotes -- that's the product's name. And it's not an open source hosting service, which handily explains why Microsoft's open source isn't hosted there. Disclosure: I'm a PM on VSTS/TFS, and I own part of version control.

Are those scare quotes or just regular old quotes? TFS and associated technologies have been through a lot of names (Visual Studio Team System, TFS, Team Services, and probably a few I can't remember).

Disclaimer: used to work on TFS team.

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