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Re: Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility” for Heroin Addicts

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Post by justincormack »

LargeCompanies wrote: post #115
pauljaworski wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fentanyl is actually being synthesized by the Mexican cartels now and added to the heroin before it even makes it to the street dealers. It's getting really crazy.

So Trump isn't so crazy on this whole wall issue .... I don't believe a wall is needed, but it should be used a hammer to get Mexico to clean up it's act for it's people. Canadians are not flooding into the US ... why are Mexicans then ... why isn't Mexico a place where it's citizens want to remain? Why are Mexicans as a whole not coming to the US high skilled like Indians are? Is their education system non-existent…

Walls don't keep drugs out. The corruption is largely due to the fact that the US keeps drugs illegal and in the hands of criminals while being the source of demand for drugs.

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Post by timdev2 »

solipsism wrote: post #136
daeken wrote: post #129

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Yes, there is. Is it the norm? Not at all, but that doesn't change the fact that some people do use heroin in moderation and without it drastically impacting their lives. This polarized look at heroin use further stigmatizes drug users and leads to those with problems (and casual users who are having trouble not letting it get out of hand) not getting the help they deserve.

Playing russian roulette isn't responsible just because you don't get shot. There are many people who use it in moderation... until they don't. Until they make one too many "bit more won't hurt" type decisions. Or they lose their job or a family member dies or they just have a shitty day. "responsible heroin use" is probably the stupidest phrase I've heard all day, and I've been watching CNN. EDIT: And, by the way, c…

I thought most overdoses are the result of variable potency which is the result of the prohibition. Are you saying that accidental overdose would be a significant danger for addicts if they had a reliable supply of predictable potency? If that is what you're saying, do you have any evidence to support that?

I do agree that easy access to powerful opiates is a recipe for disaster for people at risk for suicide. And I concede that the danger of a negative feedback loop is obvious.

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Post by nikcub »

girvo wrote: post #85
kibwen wrote: post #67

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I know a high-functioning heroin addict who's a programmer by day. It's surprising to discover seemingly-normal people who have this monkey on their backs, given the popular perception of addicts.

That's me, or was anyway. Addict for 6 years, clean for 4 (well, on Suboxone)

Good for you

Suboxone is a miracle drug, more people need access to it.

Re: Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility” for Heroin Addicts

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Post by [deleted] »

LargeCompanies wrote: post #115
pauljaworski wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fentanyl is actually being synthesized by the Mexican cartels now and added to the heroin before it even makes it to the street dealers. It's getting really crazy.

So Trump isn't so crazy on this whole wall issue .... I don't believe a wall is needed, but it should be used a hammer to get Mexico to clean up it's act for it's people. Canadians are not flooding into the US ... why are Mexicans then ... why isn't Mexico a place where it's citizens want to remain? Why are Mexicans as a whole not coming to the US high skilled like Indians are? Is their education system non-existent…

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Re: Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility” for Heroin Addicts

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Post by nikcub »

edblarney wrote: post #131
api_or_ipa wrote: post #86

See Vancouver's Insite program for proof it works. It's been a huge economic and social success, allowing timely intervention to help drug users get clean, reducing the rate of HIV and HepC amongst intravenous drug users and helping numerous people get a fresh start at life.

"See Vancouver's Insite program for proof it works. It's been a huge economic and social success" No - this is not true. OD's are at an all time high in the region [1] It's a highly politicized issues and the entities behind it are strongly incented to make it seem as though it's working. The only evidence of Insite 'working' is provided by them - and the data points they provide are selective, unscientific and defin…

That data has to be normalized for the surge in fentanyl use.

Sydney has had safe injecting for 15 years, initially the rate of overdose went down ~75% to around 1 per month but now in the past few years it has spiked back up again to record levels.

There are also other factors to safe injecting rooms - such as opening pathways to recovery, removing litter from the streets, preventing hepatitis and other diseases and removing the taboo from drug addiction.

I don't think anybody claims that safe injecting alone can prevent all opioid deaths, its part of (and usually the first step of) a multi-pronged approach.

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Post by LargeCompanies »

LargeCompanies wrote: post #115
pauljaworski wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fentanyl is actually being synthesized by the Mexican cartels now and added to the heroin before it even makes it to the street dealers. It's getting really crazy.

So Trump isn't so crazy on this whole wall issue .... I don't believe a wall is needed, but it should be used a hammer to get Mexico to clean up it's act for it's people. Canadians are not flooding into the US ... why are Mexicans then ... why isn't Mexico a place where it's citizens want to remain? Why are Mexicans as a whole not coming to the US high skilled like Indians are? Is their education system non-existent…

Umm please read I do not think building a wall is needed.

Also before you downvote I'd love to hear your thoughts as to why Mexicans come here illegally and in large quantities... why are they not staying in Mexico? Why is it not a country of wealth, opportunity and prosperity for its people like the US and Canada? Do you not think that's something worth questioning and trying to address/fix for all Mexicans?

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Post by ryanlol »

solipsism wrote: post #140
baddox wrote: post #138

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Does that mean you don't believe that responsible alcohol or tobacco use is possible? What about prescription pain medication?

That's like asking, "Does that mean you don't believe in responsible knife juggling?" One is going to kill you a lot more surely and quickly than the other, but neither is a good idea. To say heroin and alcohol/tobacco are equivalent would be stupid. To say an addition to heroin has no similarities to an addition to alcohol/tobacco would also be stupid.

>To say heroin and alcohol/tobacco are equivalent would be stupid.

Indeed, with proper dosage long term recreational use of heroin is far less likely to cause lasting damage than alcohol or tobacco.

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Post by ryanlol »

brianwawok wrote: post #6
lend000 wrote: post #5

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It's too bad this is being down-voted, because you're absolutely right. There will always be people who turn to substances, but the war on recreational drugs creates a black market that results in sketchy, dangerous product. Decriminalization and legalization of drugs will make everyone better off (except drug Cartels).

I know that is the popular meme. But is it really true? What country on earth can you buy any drug you want without a prescription in a pharmacy, and how does the culture look like? Frankly some stuff is really bad and should be kept away from people.

>What country on earth can you buy any drug you want without a prescription in a pharmacy, and how does the culture look like?

Most of the poorer Asian countries have been like this in my experience.

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Post by grzm »

LargeCompanies wrote: post #146
LargeCompanies wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So Trump isn't so crazy on this whole wall issue .... I don't believe a wall is needed, but it should be used a hammer to get Mexico to clean up it's act for it's people. Canadians are not flooding into the US ... why are Mexicans then ... why isn't Mexico a place where it's citizens want to remain? Why are Mexicans as a whole not coming to the US high skilled like Indians are? Is their education system non-existent…

Umm please read I do not think building a wall is needed. Also before you downvote I'd love to hear your thoughts as to why Mexicans come here illegally and in large quantities... why are they not staying in Mexico? Why is it not a country of wealth, opportunity and prosperity for its people like the US and Canada? Do you not think that's something worth questioning and trying to address/fix for all Mexicans?

You're essentially repeating yourself while not acknowledging the responses you've received to your previous comment. For one, the idea that Mexicans are immigrating to the US illegally in large numbers isn't supported by current stats.[0] If you have other statistics available, please share them.

[0]: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/03/5-facts-abou...

Re: Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility” for Heroin Addicts

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Post by 55555 »

tigershark wrote: post #111
fdsaaf wrote: post #74

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Samuel Taylor Coleridge had an opium addiction too. We should legalize drugs and help people who get addicted, not just ban substances that some people use responsibly.

Yeah right. Because there is such thing like heroin responsible use.

There are many people who use heroin in small quantities or very infrequently. The stigma is one factor keeping you from knowing about this.
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