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Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by WildUtah »

intro-b wrote: post #2

How this is happening, the exact trajectory of how much worse these things are (and its potential to worsen) is somewhat terrifying, especially when you consider the cavalier disregard and easy ignorance that this policy represents. I know classmates and colleagues and friends who are discussing, in their groups and communities, how to best help people stranded, whether or not vacations and returns to see ill family…

How this effects [sic] this country's current reputation as a place to study, travel, find work, and start families + settle down can't be understated.

That's the intention. The USA is more than a convenient incubator for foreigners. It's a nation responsible for its own future. Quite a lot of Americans don't want foreigners to make plans expecting that the USA will just always be there to fulfill their whims.

A little unpredictability goes a long way in changing your national reputation as an easily exploited doormat.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by macintux »

WildUtah wrote: post #134
hackerboos wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's already been a "tit-for-tat" response from Iran. US citizens are banned from travelling there. Not like they made it easy before but still we can expect similar responses to the proposed 20% border tax with Mexico. Edit Some people seem to think US citizens cannot visit Iran. From the horse's mouth: https://twitter.com/JZarif/status/825439380806434816

US citizens have been banned from Iran for almost 40 years. That's a mighty swift response to US policy in 2017.

Not sure where you got that information, but it contradicts everything I've ever heard.

Cuba's been for a long time the only country the US won't allow its citizens to visit (head, meet desk); North Korea is, so far as I know, the only country that actively prevents US citizens from visiting, although that may be a misrepresentation of the facts on the ground.

Anyway, http://uncorneredmarket.com/american-travel-iran/ has more information.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by LyalinDotCom »

we need to setup ways for any students stuck outside the country with this madness to still be able to continue their studios for the 3-month period (or however long it takes) using digital tools like Skype calling into classes and other things that can be setup.

We cant give up on those who love to learn and want better lives for themselves and their families.

This is just such depressing madness.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by etimberg »

denzil_correa wrote: post #67
powertower wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Overall, I don't see this as such a bad thing... But every major decision is going to have its outliers. This is a temp 90-day ban on non-reciprocating countries (and countries of concern), which the FBI said they are not able to properly vet (because those countries will not provide background info on the applicant, and some other reasons). It only affects non-citizens such as visitors, students, or employment visas…

> This is a temp 90-day ban on non-reciprocating countries (and countries of concern), which the FBI said they are not able to properly vet (because those countries will not provide background info on the applicant, and some other reasons). It only affects non-citizens. The EO affects ALL legal immigrants from these countries like H1B visa holders and Green Card holders too.

Looks like it also affects dual citizens of those countries as well. per http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38783512

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by WildUtah »

klenwell wrote: post #60
intro-b wrote: post #2

How this is happening, the exact trajectory of how much worse these things are (and its potential to worsen) is somewhat terrifying, especially when you consider the cavalier disregard and easy ignorance that this policy represents. I know classmates and colleagues and friends who are discussing, in their groups and communities, how to best help people stranded, whether or not vacations and returns to see ill family…

> executed with little to no foresight, warning, or serious consideration, with serious consequences I think it is easy to underestimate the ugliness and disorder such a reckless executive order can unleash unless you start to think about the details or put yourself in the shoes of the people affected. NBC News reports[0]: The Trump administration also has yet to issue guidance to airports and airlines on how to impl…

Up to this point, it has been possible for supporters and apologists to waive away his vague or careless remarks during the campaign as political rhetoric, jokes, or leverage for future negotiation. Now we start to see the mean (in every sense of the word) instinct that informed them and the harm they can do.

If you poll this issue, you'll find at least 80% of Americans don't care how inconvenient our immigration policy is for those countries affected. And a very large majority wants no immigration whatsoever from any of those nations affected nor from any of their neighbors save Israel. Probably a majority of Hillary voters would approve if they could be reassured it would go no further than that.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by facetube »

refurb wrote: post #125
cpcat wrote: post #106

It's really hypocritical that you only start noticing this happening now. The same has happened under Obama. I have a friend who was denied going back to University of Chicago last year https://www.facebook.com/ridakoon/posts/10158098402210427?pn...

Yes, but Obama was on our side , so certain things can be overlooked for the greater good.

False equivalence. Obama did not ban a country or religion wholesale. This is a substantial and disturbing step in the reckless anti-fact, anti-science, anti-truth administration of Donald John Trump.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by scrollaway »

daxorid wrote: post #79
intro-b wrote: post #2

How this is happening, the exact trajectory of how much worse these things are (and its potential to worsen) is somewhat terrifying, especially when you consider the cavalier disregard and easy ignorance that this policy represents. I know classmates and colleagues and friends who are discussing, in their groups and communities, how to best help people stranded, whether or not vacations and returns to see ill family…

Terrifying, how? This is what Trump promised, and the reason we voted for him. Half of us are quite happy to see campaign promises actually implemented. HN is acting as if this was capricious and unplanned. In fact, it's what half of us wanted.

Three things:

1. It's not what "half of you wanted". It's what a portion of the portion of those that voted in a 55% turnout election wanted. A tiny and vindictive portion, that lost the popular vote.

2. Even if it were what "half of you wanted", it's also what half of you did not want. This is not a kid's game where you count up the points and call the clear winner. If half of your population's will is being disregarded and worked against, there is a problem.

3. This is plain and simply abhorrent. Even if these were popular policies, they are reprehensible. The majority can be misguided.

PS: Your twitter feed is worse than an angry child's. Seriously, get a hold of yourself. Applauding Trump's targeting of the free press and minorities? "Civilizational cancer"? Are you seriously surprised that people dislike you and your ideologies?

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by WildUtah »

kzrdude wrote: post #77
klenwell wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> executed with little to no foresight, warning, or serious consideration, with serious consequences I think it is easy to underestimate the ugliness and disorder such a reckless executive order can unleash unless you start to think about the details or put yourself in the shoes of the people affected. NBC News reports[0]: The Trump administration also has yet to issue guidance to airports and airlines on how to impl…

Eh conflicts of interests. The US has long been “allied” with exactly Turkey (NATO), Egypt and Saudi specifically.

"Allied" in the sense that the Saudi crime family can sponsor 9-11 and their catspaw the Bush administration can exploit the occasion to supplicate even more to them.

And the opposition and the media are so deep in Saud pockets, they can't even call Bush out for it.

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