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Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by wmeredith »

IshKebab wrote: post #41
ComputerGuru wrote: post #19

The biggest problem that Apple is creating for itself is not one that is being discussed directly in most of these threads: it's not about the loss in Mac sales, which they clearly don't give a damn about. It's the exodus of producers from their platform. Think about it. For those of you that were Mac fans before the iPhone and before it was cool to be so, who else do you know that used a Mac? Forget why, just who? T…

Yeah the problem is the "creatives use Macs" thing was really a holdover from when Macs actually were better than PCs at 'creative stuff'. A lot of creative software used to only run on Macs. Today everything runs everywhere and there's really no real reason for creatives to prefer Macs. Maybe the colour correction is better on Macs? I bet it works fine on Windows too really though. The truth is Apple didn't give up…

> The truth is Apple didn't give up on creatives; Microsoft just caught up.

Why not both?

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by r00fus »

ser0 wrote: post #87
velodrome wrote: post #11

Has anyone here used the MBP touchbar on a daily basis? Does it improve productivity or is it just a gimmick?

I have the touchbar on my work laptop. As a developer I would say that it is a gimmick. I leave it on control strip mode rather than mix of app controls with control strip so that the keys do not change as I change applications. Applications in *nix and by JetBrains still utilise function keys for shortcuts. If default touch-bar preferences allowed for showing function keys at all times with control strip triggered o…

You could probably do it yourself using BTT: https://9to5mac.com/2016/12/02/hands-on-custom-touch-bar-but...

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by sangnoir »

IshKebab wrote: post #41
ComputerGuru wrote: post #19

The biggest problem that Apple is creating for itself is not one that is being discussed directly in most of these threads: it's not about the loss in Mac sales, which they clearly don't give a damn about. It's the exodus of producers from their platform. Think about it. For those of you that were Mac fans before the iPhone and before it was cool to be so, who else do you know that used a Mac? Forget why, just who? T…

Yeah the problem is the "creatives use Macs" thing was really a holdover from when Macs actually were better than PCs at 'creative stuff'. A lot of creative software used to only run on Macs. Today everything runs everywhere and there's really no real reason for creatives to prefer Macs. Maybe the colour correction is better on Macs? I bet it works fine on Windows too really though. The truth is Apple didn't give up…

> The truth is Apple didn't give up on creatives; Microsoft just caught up.

Sadly, that's not true: Final Cut Pro X was not just giving up, it was a big fat middle finger to all Video professionals and their workflows.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by guitarbill »

guelo wrote: post #53

Both Dell and Lenovo's websites are awful. They try so hard to segment the market that they make it almost impossible to shop their products. I want to buy but I can't figure out what they are selling.

I'm guessing it's because for both of them, the amount of sales though their website is tiny. The vast majority is probably though other resellers/retailers for consumers, and sales people for enterprise.

But regardless, it's a missed opportunity and a self-fulfilling thing.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by AJ007 »

feross wrote: post #64
jclardy wrote: post #10

Makes sense with Apple's current terrible product line setup. Both the retina MacBook and 2016 MacBook Pro are much more niche than their last generation. Also much more confusing as the MacBook Air successor is $500 more than the 13" Air was (The non-touchbar MacBook Pro is the spiritual successor to the air.) The true 13" Pro for 2016 is also $500 more than the last gen. The 12" MacBook is there...but it is a super…

"If you want to write fast software, use a slow computer" - Dominic Tarr The 12" Macbook is the best computer I've ever owned. Switched to it from a 2014 Macbook Pro, and found it very easy to adjust. The only time it struggles a little bit is when I run Windows in VMware, on occasion. The biggest benefit of the Macbook 12" is that if software runs well on your computer, you know it's guaranteed to run extra buttery-…

Happy to finally hear someone that agrees with me.

The 12" Macbook replaced my triple-27" Windows desktop & Surface Pros (Windows user since Win3.1 here.) The high DPI screen makes all of the difference.

Just got the new Macbook Pro before Christmas to drive the LG 5k and I am still using the 12" Macbook half of the day and 100% while traveling.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by dhfhduk »

grepthisab wrote: post #104
neutronicus wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What Ultrabooks do you think are better bang for the buck?

I like the Dell XPS 13 quite a bit.

Earlier in my life, I always ended up buying Dells, mostly because they were the best purchases for me.

Then at one point I needed a new laptop, and the 11-inch Air was the only one that really fit the bill hardware-wise. There was the Yoga, which I almost purchased, but I didn't quite trust it despite its appeal and positive reviews.

After about about a year or so, it seemed like Apple abandoned that small laptop market, and multiple other vendors started releasing really competitive products in that space, especially HP and Dell.

If I was purchasing a new laptop, it would almost certainly be an XPS 13. This sales news isn't anything new.

These things seem to go in cycles--I suspect in 7 years or so we'll be talking about how Dell isn't keeping up with Apple again.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by eecc »

r00fus wrote: post #126
michaelbuckbee wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a good quote, but I feel it reflects a time when I didn't also need to run a stack of Redis, RabbitMQ, Postgres and webserver apps on my development box.

Why local and not cloud/vps?

Why bother with a "pro" device at all, just get a chromebook and call it a day. Except there's a ton of premium stuff you can do more easily locally, and it's all stuff that hasn't been productized down to cheap web-office quality standards

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by chadgeidel »

nickjj wrote: post #118
tekklloneer wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flip side is that I needed a laptop to take with me to events, so I got a $750 dell xps13. If I were a college student, I'd be eyeing the $1200 version extremely hard versus an equivalent specced macbook pro at $1700 Or, the $750 version (which is what I have) versus a $1000 macbook that's significantly less powerful.

You can spend about $350 and get a high quality 13" IPS 1080p display Chromebook that weighs under 3 pounds if you're willing to spend 5 minutes putting in an SSD and installing Linux natively on it. I've been using the above set up for half a year now roughly and it's great. I can do all of my development work, writing, browsing, etc. without feeling like I'm giving up much for those sorts of tasks and the price is…

I've switched out HDDs and installed Linux a few times and it's never taken me 5 minutes. Not even 50 minutes.

Sure, it's a one-time "cost" and nearly insignificant over the course of the lifetime of the machine, but please be honest about the time spent.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by panzagl »

feross wrote: post #64
jclardy wrote: post #10

Makes sense with Apple's current terrible product line setup. Both the retina MacBook and 2016 MacBook Pro are much more niche than their last generation. Also much more confusing as the MacBook Air successor is $500 more than the 13" Air was (The non-touchbar MacBook Pro is the spiritual successor to the air.) The true 13" Pro for 2016 is also $500 more than the last gen. The 12" MacBook is there...but it is a super…

"If you want to write fast software, use a slow computer" - Dominic Tarr The 12" Macbook is the best computer I've ever owned. Switched to it from a 2014 Macbook Pro, and found it very easy to adjust. The only time it struggles a little bit is when I run Windows in VMware, on occasion. The biggest benefit of the Macbook 12" is that if software runs well on your computer, you know it's guaranteed to run extra buttery-…

If it's 'good enough' now, how will it be an OS update or two down the road?
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