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Re: Staying with the US Digital Service

#141

Trump is going to shut this down unfortunately. I don't think people have really come to terms with what is going to change. If there is anything digital that needs done, some republican backed defense contractor is going to do it for 100x the price.

This sort of scare mongering is just plain weird.

how familiar are you with the contracting world?

Re: Staying with the US Digital Service

#142
post #84

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Then they should have acted 8 years ago, because the "Muslim registery" already exists under Obama

The registry existed under Obama, but it was created in 2002 after 9/11, partially suspended in 2011, and fully suspended last month [0], though it looks like it remains to be seen whether the suspension will be undone. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Entry-Exit_R...

Thanks for the link. Looks like that program was only indirectly about religion. It provided a list of countries whose citizens were subject to more intense scrutiny. Most of those countries were majority Muslim, thus most people affected by the program were Muslim. There were successful civil rights complaints about this.

Trump, of course, has suggested a much more aggressive and less subtle program that includes an explicit religious test.

Re: Staying with the US Digital Service

#143

Matt, are you not concerned that the USDS could be removed with the transitioning of President Trump. If I'm not mistaken it's part of the executive office so not only could it be undone, but it could be undone swiftly with the stroke of a pen. Seems like a risky move at this time!

I was recruited and almost joined up with them but didn't for this exact reason. Too much uncertainty and potential for it to be cut right after I joined.

Re: Staying with the US Digital Service

#145

Matt, are you not concerned that the USDS could be removed with the transitioning of President Trump. If I'm not mistaken it's part of the executive office so not only could it be undone, but it could be undone swiftly with the stroke of a pen. Seems like a risky move at this time!

It will be very interesting to see how Trump reacts to USDS and similar efforts that connect the Federal government with technologists and scientists. The Republicans seem to prefer that government function poorly (e.g. "starve the beast") but they DO like the private sector. So when you want to use private sector best practices to make the government work better, does the administration like it or hate it?

Re: Staying with the US Digital Service

#146
post #48

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> you must follow it or resign--those are the only options, per your civil service oath. Those aren't your only options. Your other options are to stay in and leak information. Stay in and try to damage the project etc... I don't know what I'd do if I were in the position to damage, delay, or stop something as blatantly unconstitutional as a Muslim registration database, but I hope that I'd be able to muster to the c…

As opposed to what, conducting surveillance on basically every citizen in the nation? That was just dandy. But a Muslim registry, now you're going to get all uppity about that?

I'm confused. How did the USDS conduct surveillance on basically every citizen in the nation, or are you painting every US gov't employee with a very, very broad brush?

Re: Staying with the US Digital Service

#147
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you must follow it or resign--those are the only options, per your civil service oath. Those aren't your only options. Your other options are to stay in and leak information. Stay in and try to damage the project etc... I don't know what I'd do if I were in the position to damage, delay, or stop something as blatantly unconstitutional as a Muslim registration database, but I hope that I'd be able to muster to the c…

As opposed to what, conducting surveillance on basically every citizen in the nation? That was just dandy. But a Muslim registry, now you're going to get all uppity about that?

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Re: Staying with the US Digital Service

#148
post #35

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One of the USDS project selection criteria is that we prioritize work that based on what will do the greatest good for the greatest number of people in the greatest need. I do not believe a Muslim Registry does any good for anyone. Being involved in building one would require formally changing our values which would be visible to everyone in USDS. Disclaimer: personal opinion, I am currently serving on a USDS team, m…

> One of the USDS project selection criteria is that we prioritize work that based on what will do the greatest good for the greatest number of people in the greatest need The USDS is a taxpayer-funded public entity. The "greatest good..." is determined by the law, written by our duly elected representatives. You don't get to serve the public and selectively reject the law. If the Congress passes a law you disagree w…

> You don't get to serve the public and selectively reject the law.

You kind of do. If you're ordered to do something that seems in conflict with the law and/or Constitution, you have a responsibility to not leave, to oppose that unlawful or unconstitutional action. That may require you remaining in place. If you leave, all that's left behind are the sort of non-thinking automatons I was surrounded by at one job for the AF who "were just following orders". They will follow the unlawful and unconstitutional orders and our experiment fails.

Your obligation as a public servant in this country is not to the President or to the Congress, but to the People by way of the Constitution and those things which are permitted by it. Orders aren't obligations if they're orders to do things we shouldn't be doing.

Re: Staying with the US Digital Service

#149

Let me know if folks have any questions, but I left Google on Dec. 31, 2016.

Not a question, I wanted to say that I am impressed with vets.gov and the pace of improvement. Thank you and your team for the work that you do! I can see it getting way better than ebenefits. Hoping it will allow vets more access to their information such as C-File and medical records without a FOIA request.

Re: Staying with the US Digital Service

#150
post #38

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I live outside of Seattle. But nearly all of the work I do with USDS requires me to be physically present. So I travel a lot (4/5 days a week). You aren't going to find a badly broken technology project in the Federal Government that is able to leverage remote people effectively.

I'm a developer and devops guy. If I have to be physically present for anything, something is very wrong.

On many of these projects, something is very very wrong. That's why USDS/18F are there. If everything is going peachy, we could be spending our time better, elsewhere.

*18f employee

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